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john haueisen

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What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« on: April 29, 2008, 11:58:03 PM »
Please accept my apologies for asking such an obviously "much-discussed earlier" question, but for some of us newbies, learning what others of you appreciate is of great interest.

If you were recommending a Mahler biography to a new Mahler fan, what would you choose?
Likewise, what works do you suggest that all Mahler devotees should be certain to read?

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 05:23:21 AM »
I may be in the minority, but I never mind reposted questions, because you're still bound to get a variety of answers since tastes change.

I like Egon Gartenberg's book, Mahler : The Man and His Music.  It's from the 1970's, but I think it's quite good. 

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 05:38:51 AM »
Obviously, the most detailed and comprehensive bios are the four volumes by Henri De La Grange. I dont' know if it's still in print, but I like the much shorter bio by Egon Gartenberg. However, I can't find my copy of it (I don't think that I lent it to anybody). I don't like the ones that try to psycho-analyze Mahler's every step and thought (Feder kind of does that).

One book that I really like, is Natalie Bauer-Lechner's "Recollections On G.M." B-L only hung-out with Mahler from a period beginning shortly before his third symphony, and on up to the fifth symphony (when Alma appeared on the scene). But unlike so many other folks who have shared their recollections of G.M., B-L very precisely chronicled what Mahler had said to her on a great number of musical topics. I think it gives good insight into Mahler, the musician. Natalie wanted to be Mahler's girl, and never quite got there. She got pushed to the side when Alma entered Mahler's life. I think she could have been a good partner for him, if he had been willing to share the limelight - as well as his life - with somebody who was also a serious performer (she was a solid violinist).

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 09:27:52 PM »
Hello,

I stick to Jens Malte Fischer: Gustav Mahler, der fremde Vertraute, 992 pages. Unfortunately only available in German (and a translation is in the works, as I gathered on this forum, into Korean (of all languages)). Out of print siince a couple of years.
I found mine secondhand off the Internet.

ISBN 3-552-05273-9 Paul Zsolnay Verlag Wien

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Phaedrus :)
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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 09:59:18 PM »
How about the well-researched and very reliable Mahler by Kurt Blaukopf (the co-editor of that well-known documentary study on GM)?

Or why not Dika Newlin's dissertation Bruckner-Mahler-Schoenberg as well?

Both are quite compact and inexpensively purchased compared to the magisterial and majestic de la Grange which of course is the ultimate. Blaukopf has all the facts we need (de la Grange has too many of them: about, what was it, 2.7 pages of densely written text for each day in Mahler's life?) and the Newlin is a fun read, making inroads to musical and philosophical analysis as well but in a highly readable manner. Besides being Schoenberg's last living pupil, she was quite an eccentric.

Of the more "musicographical" attempts Adorno's Mahler: A Musical Physiognomy stands out as a solitary peak. It is the most in-depth investigation there is to the music, not so much the man.

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2008, 06:21:16 AM »
How about the well-researched and very reliable Mahler by Kurt Blaukopf (the co-editor of that well-known documentary study on GM)?

Blaukopf is certainly reliable. Although it's been awhile since I've read through either one, I always preferred the Gartenberg for some reason. They're rather similar

Phaedrus,

You've got me curious to see the translated version of "G.M., der fremde Vertraute".

Barry

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 09:37:47 PM »
You've got me curious to see the translated version of "G.M., der fremde Vertraute".

Barry

Wow! I didn't know that you read Korean, Barry!  :o

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 09:48:36 PM »
I like Egon Gartenberg's book, Mahler : The Man and His Music.  It's from the 1970's, but I think it's quite good. 

Not a BIOography but a BIBLIOgraphy to consult is Susan Filler's Gustav and Alma Mahler: A Research and Information Guide, 2nd ed. (2008), where on page 108 we can read about Gartenberg's book:

"A 'popular' biography of Mahler focusing on his life and work in the perspective of the history and culture of the Austrian Empire. Unfortunately, it is compromised in value by many serious errors and simplistic generalizations. Best avoided by the general reading public and useless to specialists."

That doesn't seem to leave a very large readership.

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 04:37:02 AM »
"Wow! I didn't know that you read Korean, Barry!"

Oops. I better stick to the German   :o

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2008, 03:38:31 PM »
To get back to John's initial query, I nominate as the four most accessible biographies:

Jonathan Carr, Mahler: A Biography. Filler says, "...surpasses Kennedy in terms of new information....Challenges many accepted beliefs and theories; unique." [p. 106] I particularly like Carr's exposure of the myths that continue to infest Mahler lore.

Michael Kennedy, Mahler. "...a happy blend of information for the general reader and for the specialist. Extraordinarily detailed for its comparatively short length....remains a timeless asset to Mahler research." [Filler, p. 110]  Kennedy is better on the symphonies than Carr, as I recall.

Peter Franklin, The Life of Mahler. "...an insider to the work of other Mahler specialists...approaches subject as a musicologist in contrast to Carr, a journalist." [p.108]

Kurt Blaukopf, Gustav Mahler. "A major study of Mahler's life and music by one of the most important Mahler experts since World War II." [p.105]

Then, as Barry mentioned, there is Stuart Feder's Gustav Mahler: A Life in Crisis. I found it very useful in understanding the stresses and conflicts that Mahler encountered. Filler says, "His theories are well supported by factual data, although not universally accepted...." [p.121]  I found it quite even-handed in psychological matters--not clinical or couch-bound.

As for Adorno, his work does not fit in the category of biography. Rather, it is philosophy. Although still in print, it awaits a translation into language. (No, a word is not missing in that sentence.) I suspect that some of the references to his work that one encounters along the way are made by people who have taken him on someone else's say so. If curious enough, go to Amazon.com and read a page or two of his Mahler: A Musical Physiognomy. Then write a paraphrase of what you have read and post it here. ;D

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2008, 07:53:22 PM »
As for Adorno, his work does not fit in the category of biography. Rather, it is philosophy. Although still in print, it awaits a translation into language. (No, a word is not missing in that sentence.) I suspect that some of the references to his work that one encounters along the way are made by people who have taken him on someone else's say so. If curious enough, go to Amazon.com and read a page or two of his Mahler: A Musical Physiognomy. Then write a paraphrase of what you have read and post it here. ;D

It's philosophy all right, but also musicology and criticism. Remember Adorno started out as a music student (with Berg and Schoenberg); the foulmouths even say he turned to music and criticism the same way all of them presumably do: as a failed artist. (That's not exactly true. Actually, there's an interesting disc out with Adorno's compositions, which are not bad at all although truly enough highly Bergian and a bit Mahleresque.)

As for paraphrasing Adorno on Mahler (who for him was perhaps the greatest of all composers), can you paraphrase de la Grange, Blaukopf, and the others? Not possible, of course, as there is too much to the man to turn it into a phrase.

But let's let Adorno himself sum up his thoughts on Mahler:

There was, first of all, Mahler's "ability to organize a totality" based on the logic of the "individual figures" that enter into his compositions as their elements, instead of the logic of "an abstract, preordained design." So, without suppressing the individual nature of these elements and subordinating them to some scheme or project or prior notion, he was shaping them into an organic whole: in other words, "starting from the chance nature of existence" (that's those unique and unforced individual figures; it's just Adorno's philosophical baggage speaking here), Mahler "transformed it into a coherent whole, without having to borrow from sources no longer authenticated. This is what defines Mahler as a great composer." This simply means that the "preordained design," which here meant the sonata form and the symphonic approach, was already obsolete back then and could no longer be validated with reference to some historico-philosophical justification or even any "essential" principles arising from the musical logic itself. So Mahler came up with a way to keep composing despite the fact that the means available for composers were no longer "authentic": he made something meaningful or "true" out of what was already meaningless and "false."

That's mostly criticism, with the philosophy coming in now: By the time Mahler was composing, the world had turned into a "lie" (let's just assume for now that this was the case), but Mahler's music, using materials derived from that falsehood, managed to speak the truth about it and not perpetrate what amounted to just another falsehood like most other composers, and in doing so it also succeeded in describing the exact ways in which that world indeed was a lie.

What does that mean, how did he do that? Using a bit more typical language of the Critical Theory, Adorno states that, in Mahler, "the scars of failure are transformed into the bearers of expression and therewith to the fermentation of a second success." Which is simply to restate what I just said above: that at the time Adorno was writing, it seemed like the world had already come to a catastrophic end (what with the Nazism, Holocaust, the war, and the failure of the Left project = the Soviet Union), and in accordance with Adorno's understanding of culture, this failure, like all characteristics of society, was reflected in cultural products as well (this being those "scars"). In his language, culture, too, had become "false" (no longer immediate and "true" as in earlier times, of which a prime example would be Beethoven's 3rd, but that's another story -- it just basically means that earlier on, cultural and societal developments were "at one," with culture kind of being the physiognomy of society, its characteristic mark so to speak -- but no longer so), and Mahler's genious was to be able to take these "damaged" elements belonging to a "false" culture and transform them into something that paradoxially was "true." His music, Adorno explains more musicologically, "inquires how the sonata form can be reconstituted from the inside" (it was not quite the time to entirely abandon it yet), and it does this without doing violence to the "living specificities" existing within this music and constituting it (those "individual figures" above, for instance). This way Mahler's music was more "true" than other composers'; what it represents is "a fully composed-out disintegration and collapse": in other words, he managed to compose the face of the world. (Well, you'd have to accept his diagnosis of the world to see the point in this phrase.) It accurately reflects the world or the society from which it stems forth by abandoning the idea that music should be something affirmative (that makes us feel good about life...); instead, he turned it into "the memory of a past life as a utopia that had never existed" in order to speak more successfully of "a world infinitely full of hope, although not for us."

Nice phrases after all! Each one of them could be a singular paraphrase, but in their original context and in combination they will work better, the way Adorno intended. One such place could be Adorno's essay "Mahler" in his Quasi una fantasia: Essays on Modern Music which is a bit shorter and more concise, and hopefully still available too. But on the whole the point becomes much clearer if we remember that what Adorno (and many others around him and contemporary to him) was doing was to a large extent influenced by his reaction to the rise of totalitarianism from the early '20s on and to the specific kind of violence it exacted on individuals.

How's that for some Cliffs Notes on why we should listen to Mahler?  ???

PT

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2008, 09:21:25 PM »
Now THAT'S a great paraphrase! If only the original read so well.

Thanks, PT, for this contribution.

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2008, 09:38:56 PM »
Only the original is almost shorter...

But thanks, if indeed you were serious  :)

Actually, it's really interesting to see how Adorno makes this point by analyzing in meticulous detail every single one of Mahler's works, one by one. The guy (Adorno) was quite something; apparently (said for instance the Berlin Phil), he knew every note of every composition ever published, and that by heart.

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2008, 04:22:22 AM »

Actually, it's really interesting to see how Adorno makes this point by analyzing in meticulous detail every single one of Mahler's works, one by one. The guy (Adorno) was quite something; apparently (said for instance the Berlin Phil), he knew every note of every composition ever published, and that by heart.


For a useful summary of Adorno's approaches to GM, English speakers can consult Peter Franklin's piece "...his fractures are the script of truth" -- Adorno's Mahler.  The article is to be found in Mahler Studies, ed. Stephen Hefling, Cambridge 1997, pp. 271-294.

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john haueisen

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Re: What are your favorite Mahler biographies?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 01:26:33 AM »
In case anyone returns to the issue of Mahler biographies, I just finished reading Knud Martner's Gustav Mahler: Selected Letters.

Perhaps some of you are familiar with it.  Martner has organized hundreds of Mahler letters very systematically, with diverse indexes to make them more useful.
He has an introductory listing of letters chronologically and telling to whom they were sent, providing the date whenever possible.

There is also a biographical listing of addressees, that helps us understand the relevance of each letter. 

He also includes a "General Index of Names and Places" AND an "Index of Mahler's Compositions."

The book is still available at Amazon, and could prove a useful research tool for Mahlerians, or whatever we call ourselves. 

 

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