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General Category => Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions => Topic started by: chalkpie on August 08, 2011, 01:21:48 PM
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I'll tell you - I have lost track of some of the M2's that have been released in the past 10 years or so...with that said....
What M2's released recently (say 2000-2011) are your favorites? (maybe a top 5 list would be helpful). Thanks for playing :)
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1. Fischer/BFO/Channel
2. Tennstedt/LPO/LPO
But I haven't heard the Stenz yet which got 5/7 from DH :'(.
This is most disappointing because I had a high expectation for the recording.
That being the case, the above two are the only recordings I'd put on my list.
John,
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I can't go for 5, but in keeping with John, I can give you two:
- LPO / Tennstedt (LPO)
- Robert-Schumann Philharmonic / Caetani (ARTS), mainly for the absolutely stupendous ending.
I must give the Fischer recording another go; it seems to be at the top of so many lists I see online.
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My favourite ever M2 was from back in the sixties--- Klemperer with the New Phil.Relatively fast in the first movement-- magisterially slow in the last.Don't know if it is still available.
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Maazel/NYPO
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=844185093293 (https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=844185093293)
The Fischer/Budapest is nearly as good.
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But I haven't heard the Stenz yet which got 5/7 from DH :'(.
This is most disappointing because I had a high expectation for the recording.
John,
I downloaded it from eMUSIC about a month ago. I gave it a cursory listening in my car and was not overly impressed -- to the extent that I have been unable to convince myself to give it an other chance...and now that I know that Dave dislikes it too...
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Maazel/NYPO
https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=844185093293 (https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=844185093293)
The Fischer/Budapest is nearly as good.
Good man! I love the NYP maazel too - a sleeper it seems.
FWIW, I think MTT and SFS slay on the the ending - it doesn't get much better than that to my ears. DH thought the closing moments were the best he had ever heard back when he reviewed the MTT M2. It's a good one. I much prefer the closing moments on the MTT as compared to the Fischer.
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Blomstedt/SFSO (Decca); Litton/DSO (Delos); G. Kaplan/VPO (DG); Ozawa/Saito Kinen Orch. (Sony); Fischer/BFO (Channel Classics); Haitink/CSO (by far the best of his CSO remakes, so far); P. Jarvi/FRSO (Virgin Classics); Jurowsky/LPO (LPO)
The Blomstedt has far, FAR more of the Rufatti organ than the MTT one has. It also takes several minutes less time to get to the ending as well. MTT has the incomparable L. Hunt Lieberson, but I still prefer the Blomstedt.
I don't know the Maazel/NYPO one, but I'm sure I wouldn't dig the generally slow tempi.
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I'm afraid I won't add anything that hasn't been mentioned - but, quite simply put, these are simply that good.
In a more or less random order...:
- Fischer/BPO
- Ozawa/Saito Kinen
- Tennstedt/LPO
- Järvi/FRSO
- Litton/DSO
Freddy
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David Zinman - sounds wonderfully transparent.
Jonathan Nott - very taut, superb recording.
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Interesting. I've never heard the Nott M2, and that's one I'm curious about. I know I 'harp' too much about the organ in M2 and M 8 (no pun intended), but is it sufficient?
As for the Zinman, it is just a tad TOO straight forward for my liking, but the bells at the end are terrific. It's certainly transparent, as you state.
Barry
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Boulez on DG anyone?
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I think the 'live' one on DVD is quite a bit better. The DG studio one has some gorgeous brass playing, but there's so little organ at the end - really almost none. Also, the scherzo just skims along the surface, not conjuring up any sense of ironic humor. The scherzo is clearly better on the DVD, as is the ending of the symphony. Try the DVD sometime (Staatskapelle Berlin).
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i'd agree with Barry about the Boulez M2; for some reason the CD is not as compelling as the live performance.
Barry, the organ in the Nott M2 has plenty of heft, IMO. I find that Nott's cycle is highly variable; his M1 did not impress me and his M3 is all over the place. Very odd. That said, i reckon his M2 is up there with the really good 'uns.
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Thanks for filling us in on both J. Nott's M2 and M3.
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i'd agree with Barry about the Boulez M2; for some reason the CD is not as compelling as the live performance.
Barry, the organ in the Nott M2 has plenty of heft, IMO. I find that Nott's cycle is highly variable; his M1 did not impress me and his M3 is all over the place. Very odd. That said, i reckon his M2 is up there with the really good 'uns.
How do you like Nott's M9th? ???
John,
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John
I've only heard his first three Mahler symphonies and seen mixed reviews of his Ninth. Is it worth acquiring?
bws
Dan
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John
I've only heard his first three Mahler symphonies and seen mixed reviews of his Ninth. Is it worth acquiring?
bws
Dan
Oh, yes, it's a top notch M9th. It seems Nott listened to Karajan, Klemperer, Walter, Giulini, and all the fine recordings of the Ninth before him and digested them to create his own version. He never misses all the nailing point in the score and yet manage to integrate them into a very convincing whole.
It got a couple of mixed reviews (e.g. DH) but mostly received rave reviews.
Great sound too.
John,
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For those who might like the CSO/Haitink recording, Presto in the UK have this heavily discounted in a clearance sale.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/CSO%2BResound/CSOR901914
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I'll add my "Jr. Member" two cents for what it's worth: I like both the recently released Jurowski / LPO and also the Tennstedt / LPO live recordings. However, I do realize that Tennstedt is not everyone's cup of tea (nor even mine every day, or in every symphony).
I have the Fischer M2, and really want to like it more than I do. I can appreciate it is a fine recording and performance... and yet I find I don't reach for it very often when I want to hear the Second. Perhaps it will grow on me over time.
I guess I'm still looking for my "perfect" M2, but I guess that's part of the fun of being a Mahler junkie, right? :)
Cheers,
Herb