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General Category => Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions => Topic started by: John Kim on July 29, 2010, 09:38:09 PM
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http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3857655
Yes, bring it on!! ;D ;D
Since I don't have SACD versions of the recordings I might get them, hehe.
John
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I think the SACD edition of this M2nd was released previously. Does anyone have it? How does it sound?
I have Blu-spec ed. of the M9th and it sounds terrific, much better than the CD version.
John,
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Yes, I have it. It is a stereo-only SACD. It is also not a hybrid (i.e. no CD layer). I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember it sounding very good. It is an excellent performance, except for Ozawa's sprint through the March of the Souls section.
I really like the M9! I'm not sure if I'd pay the premium to get it again on SACD though. I haven't listened to the M9 in a few years either, but remember my only real disppointment being a lack of power from some of the brass. I LOVE Ozawa's way with M9 though, including the commercial BSO one and the radio-rip of his final BSO concert. I am considering the Japanese DVD or Blu-Ray release of that final BSO concert, but it is probably a little pricey for my blood. I'm spending too much money on tennis these days to spend $70+ on a Blu-Ray disc.
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Yes, I have it. It is a stereo-only SACD. It is also not a hybrid (i.e. no CD layer). I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember it sounding very good. It is an excellent performance, except for Ozawa's sprint through the March of the Souls section.
I really like the M9! I'm not sure if I'd pay the premium to get it again on SACD though. I haven't listened to the M9 in a few years either, but remember my only real disppointment being a lack of power from some of the brass. I LOVE Ozawa's way with M9 though, including the commercial BSO one and the radio-rip of his final BSO concert. I am considering the Japanese DVD or Blu-Ray release of that final BSO concert, but it is probably a little pricey for my blood. I'm spending too much money on tennis these days to spend $70+ on a Blu-Ray disc.
But I find the low brass section, e.g., tuba, is mighty strong. Listen to the main climax in I. It will blow your socks off!
I like the timpani too, which I believe was played by the legendary BSO member. Everett Fucht??
John,
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BTW, these discs will be in the hybrid SACD format.
John,
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I like the timpani too, which I believe was played by the legendary BSO member, Everett Fucht??
That would be Everett "Vic" Firth (b. 1930).
James
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Yes, I have it. It is a stereo-only SACD. It is also not a hybrid (i.e. no CD layer). I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember it sounding very good. It is an excellent performance, except for Ozawa's sprint through the March of the Souls section.
I really like the M9! I'm not sure if I'd pay the premium to get it again on SACD though. I haven't listened to the M9 in a few years either, but remember my only real disppointment being a lack of power from some of the brass. I LOVE Ozawa's way with M9 though, including the commercial BSO one and the radio-rip of his final BSO concert. I am considering the Japanese DVD or Blu-Ray release of that final BSO concert, but it is probably a little pricey for my blood. I'm spending too much money on tennis these days to spend $70+ on a Blu-Ray disc.
But I find the low brass section, e.g., tuba, is mighty strong. Listen to the main climax in I. It will blow your socks off!
I like the timpani too, which I believe was played by the legendary BSO member. Everett Fucht??
John,
I am referring to the brass of the SKO performance.
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Yes, I have it. It is a stereo-only SACD. It is also not a hybrid (i.e. no CD layer). I haven't listened to it in years, but I remember it sounding very good. It is an excellent performance, except for Ozawa's sprint through the March of the Souls section.
I really like the M9! I'm not sure if I'd pay the premium to get it again on SACD though. I haven't listened to the M9 in a few years either, but remember my only real disppointment being a lack of power from some of the brass. I LOVE Ozawa's way with M9 though, including the commercial BSO one and the radio-rip of his final BSO concert. I am considering the Japanese DVD or Blu-Ray release of that final BSO concert, but it is probably a little pricey for my blood. I'm spending too much money on tennis these days to spend $70+ on a Blu-Ray disc.
But I find the low brass section, e.g., tuba, is mighty strong. Listen to the main climax in I. It will blow your socks off!
I like the timpani too, which I believe was played by the legendary BSO member. Everett Fucht??
John,
I am referring to the brass of the SKO performance.
Yes, that's what I am referring to. SKO has a terrific tuba at that spot!
John,
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Will someone who owns the Ozawa SKO M9 please advise as to the exact recording date? I have an "unofficial version" which lacks that information. Thanks.
James
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Will someone who owns the Ozawa SKO M9 please advise as to the exact recording date? I have an "unofficial version" which lacks that information. Thanks.
James
M2 January 2-5, 2000
M9 January 2-4, 2001
Both at Tokyo Bunka Kaikan
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Thanks, Scott.
James
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Will someone who owns the Ozawa SKO M9 please advise as to the exact recording date? I have an "unofficial version" which lacks that information. Thanks.
James
M2 January 2-5, 2000
M9 January 2-4, 2001
Both at Tokyo Bunka Kaikan
I and Barry were at one of their live concerts in SF a few days after the recording of this M9th. It was an excellent performance, well streamlined and beautiful shaping throughout that were not devoid of emotional and spiritual depth of the work. The strings were in particular outstanding sounding better than they did in the recording. One difference was that Ozawa didn't rush through the first climax in I. as much as he did in the recording.
John,
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http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3857655
Yes, bring it on!! ;D ;D
Since I don't have SACD versions of the recordings I might get them, hehe.
John
Just received this one (hybrid stereo SACD - 3 disc set) along with Klemperer's mighty M7.
Alex
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Good for you!! ::)
I have Blue ray spec CD of the Ozawa/SKO M9th and it sound way better than the red ray CD.
I wonder how the SACD will compare to my disc.
BUT, unless I buy the new SACD version I wouldn't know, would I? :-[ :-[ :-X
John,
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Just received this one (hybrid stereo SACD - 3 disc set) along with Klemperer's mighty M7.
Alex
Alex,
Please let us know if the SACD-version is worthwile, i.e. if it beats the CD of the M2 and the Blu-Spec CD of the M9. I'm considering getting this, but I'm hesitating...
Thanks!
Freddy
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I've just finished listening to the M9th Blue Spec CD on a Sony DVP-SN90P player.
This disc sounds terrific on this particular machine.
I am pretty sure the SACD version will sound better still.
John,
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Just received this one (hybrid stereo SACD - 3 disc set) along with Klemperer's mighty M7.
Alex
Alex,
Please let us know if the SACD-version is worthwile, i.e. if it beats the CD of the M2 and the Blu-Spec CD of the M9. I'm considering getting this, but I'm hesitating...
Thanks!
Freddy
Freddy
I do not have the cd of the m2 or the Blu spec of the M9. However as soon as I ll play it, I shall compare the CD to SACD layers and lwt you know. No time found yet for this 9th.
Best
Alex
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Alex,
"I shall compare the CD to SACD layers .."
I don't think you'll find much difference if you do this.
My experience tells me so.
You need to compare the hybrid SACD (either the CD layer or SACD layer) to the earlier version(s).
If you send me the SACD, I will make the comparison ;D ;D :-*.
John,
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Alex,
"I shall compare the CD to SACD layers .."
I don't think you'll find much difference if you do this.
My experience tells me so.
You need to compare the hybrid SACD (either the CD layer or SACD layer) to the earlier version(s).
If you send me the SACD, I will make the comparison ;D ;D :-*.
John,
I tried doing this with Bernstein's 1963 NYPO M2 on the Japanese SACD release, and also found hardly any difference between the SACD and CD layers. Also, in comparing the CD layer of the Japanese SACD/CD to the CD-only produced Carnegie Hall release of the same M2 performance in that set of the complete symphonies, I heard no difference.
That led me to compare the SACD layer to the CD layer of the recently-purchased Fischer/Budapest recording, and I also couldn't tell much difference.
So maybe we all need to ask ourselves: Is it worth bothering to listen to the CD layer of an SACD/CD hybrid disk to see if there's any difference? My hypothesis is that you will be able to tell little, if any difference on the average stereo system. On audiophile-grade equipment, yes. It would be interesting to hear from others on this subject.
Wade
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Alex,
"I shall compare the CD to SACD layers .."
I don't think you'll find much difference if you do this.
My experience tells me so.
You need to compare the hybrid SACD (either the CD layer or SACD layer) to the earlier version(s).
If you send me the SACD, I will make the comparison ;D ;D :-*.
John,
I tried doing this with Bernstein's 1963 NYPO M2 on the Japanese SACD release, and also found hardly any difference between the SACD and CD layers. Also, in comparing the CD layer of the Japanese SACD/CD to the CD-only produced Carnegie Hall release of the same M2 performance in that set of the complete symphonies, I heard no difference.
That led me to compare the SACD layer to the CD layer of the recently-purchased Fischer/Budapest recording, and I also couldn't tell much difference.
So maybe we all need to ask ourselves: Is it worth bothering to listen to the CD layer of an SACD/CD hybrid disk to see if there's any difference? My hypothesis is that you will be able to tell little, if any difference on the average stereo system. On audiophile-grade equipment, yes. It would be interesting to hear from others on this subject.
Wade
Did you try to compare the SACD layer to the CD-only Carnegie Hall release of this Bernstein M2. Just to see if we did well spending all this money for the japanese SACDs...
Thanks!
Alex
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Alex,
"I shall compare the CD to SACD layers .."
I don't think you'll find much difference if you do this.
My experience tells me so.
You need to compare the hybrid SACD (either the CD layer or SACD layer) to the earlier version(s).
If you send me the SACD, I will make the comparison ;D ;D :-*.
John,
I tried doing this with Bernstein's 1963 NYPO M2 on the Japanese SACD release, and also found hardly any difference between the SACD and CD layers. Also, in comparing the CD layer of the Japanese SACD/CD to the CD-only produced Carnegie Hall release of the same M2 performance in that set of the complete symphonies, I heard no difference.
That led me to compare the SACD layer to the CD layer of the recently-purchased Fischer/Budapest recording, and I also couldn't tell much difference.
So maybe we all need to ask ourselves: Is it worth bothering to listen to the CD layer of an SACD/CD hybrid disk to see if there's any difference? My hypothesis is that you will be able to tell little, if any difference on the average stereo system. On audiophile-grade equipment, yes. It would be interesting to hear from others on this subject.
Wade
Did you try to compare the SACD layer to the CD-only Carnegie Hall release of this Bernstein M2. Just to see if we did well spending all this money for the japanese SACDs...
Thanks!
Alex
Yes, I did. I stated that I did that in my first sentence. BTW, the Japanese SACD/CD release used the same DSD mastering as did the Carnegie Hall release.
Wade
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So, Alex, how do the SACDs sound by your own (absolute) standard? ??? ::)
PL report to us :-*.
John,