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Title: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: Wolfbane on January 24, 2008, 12:38:13 AM
HMV Japan is releasing M5 and M6 from Pretre and the VSO this month.
Has anyone heard any Mahler performances with Pretre conducting ?
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: John Kim on January 24, 2008, 02:45:53 AM
Nope, but I have his Also Sprach Zarathustra on RCA with Philharmonia Orch. It's a great recording. I bet his Mahler will be pretty good.

John,
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: sbugala on January 24, 2008, 05:03:59 AM
I know we're talking apples and oranges here, but I really liked his recent New Year's concert from Vienna. Heck, I didn't even know he was still alive!
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: techniquest on January 24, 2008, 08:03:08 AM
I have an ancient recording of Shostakovich 12 by him which is pretty good. Like you, sbugala, I didn't realize he was still alive!
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: david johnson on January 24, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
I know we're talking apples and oranges here, but I really liked his recent New Year's concert from Vienna. Heck, I didn't even know he was still alive!

nor did i...i thought the gentleman was dead.

dj
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: akiralx on January 24, 2008, 09:10:17 AM
I have an ancient recording of Shostakovich 12 by him which is pretty good. Like you, sbugala, I didn't realize he was still alive!

Yep, I have that DSCH 12 on LP.  His NY Day concert was very good, I just received the double CD.  Apparently he has conducted the VPO successfully for a few years now.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: barry guerrero on January 24, 2008, 09:11:03 AM
I once heard a radio broadcast of Pretre/VSO doing M8 from Vienna's Konzerthaus. The ending was tremendous.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: Wolfbane on January 24, 2008, 11:04:57 PM
The M5 and M6 being released are both described as live recordings with the VSO.
Perhaps the M8 Barry heard will also be released in due course.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: sbugala on January 25, 2008, 06:34:08 AM
I have an ancient recording of Shostakovich 12 by him which is pretty good. Like you, sbugala, I didn't realize he was still alive!

I had that Shostakovich 12th on LP, and I thought it was excellent, too!  Against my better judgment, I sold it for more "Mahler Money!"
Maybe it'll come out on CD someday. I love Shostakovich's music, but the 12th is pretty bad. Pretre gives the work a nobility it doesn't really deserve. 
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: techniquest on January 25, 2008, 04:37:14 PM
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I love Shostakovich's music, but the 12th is pretty bad. Pretre gives the work a nobility it doesn't really deserve.

Yes, Shostakovich wrote a few symphonies which were far less than excellent...12th, 6th, 3rd; 9th even. However, given the influence Mahler had on Shostakovich, maybe we should start a Shostakovich thread to save the risk of hijacking this Pretre/Mahler one.  :)
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: barry guerrero on January 27, 2008, 11:13:33 AM
when it comes to Shostakovich, are you sure you guys aren't confusing Pretre for Andre Cluytens?

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Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: techniquest on January 27, 2008, 12:24:48 PM
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when it comes to Shostakovich, are you sure you guys aren't confusing Pretre for Andre Cluytens?

Not in relation to the recording of the 12th Symphony- I have the disc here: Classics for Pleasure CFP141; Shostakovich Symphony No.12 & Festive Overture; Philharmonia Orchestra, Georges Pretre. It's a 1963 recording. I have a CFP disc with Andre Cluytens conducting Prokofiev 5.
Sadly I have heard neither conduct Mahler.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: sbugala on January 28, 2008, 04:39:10 AM
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Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: barry guerrero on January 28, 2008, 07:04:31 AM
They just don't make street protests like they used to.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: sbugala on January 28, 2008, 07:37:11 PM
I never should have sold that LP.  It only got me a few $, and I never affiliate the Philharmonia with Shostakovich.

As for that New Year's Day concert, my friend ranked it up with the Herb and Carlos Kleiber concerts. 
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: barry guerrero on January 29, 2008, 08:21:52 AM
Yes, Pretre conducted very well on the New Years concert. As a semi-pro musician, he was a joy to watch. But I disappointed to see the Vienna Phil. still has only two women amongst their ranks, one of them a harpist. Enough with this so-called tradition stuff. Even the Austrian government gave them a mandate to diversify more.

Barry
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: akiralx on January 29, 2008, 11:38:14 AM
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I love Shostakovich's music, but the 12th is pretty bad. Pretre gives the work a nobility it doesn't really deserve.

Yes, Shostakovich wrote a few symphonies which were far less than excellent...12th, 6th, 3rd; 9th even.

Can't agree with you on the Sixth - one of his best in my view. But 1-3, 12 and maybe 9: yep.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: barry guerrero on January 30, 2008, 07:39:37 AM
I also like S6. It's in an unusual slow-fast-faster, three movement form. I think that the first movement is among his best slow movements; right up there with the first movement of S8.

Barry
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: sbugala on January 30, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
My mom has a quote she always says, "'Everyone to their own tastes,' said the old maid as she kissed the cow."  I too love the Shostakovich 1st, 6th, and 9th.  Plus a host of his other works. 
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: akiralx on February 01, 2008, 10:40:16 AM
I also like S6. It's in an unusual slow-fast-faster, three movement form. I think that the first movement is among his best slow movements; right up there with the first movement of S8.

Barry

Yes, near the end of S6/i where the horn (I think) comes in after the triangle remolo, that is a heart-stopping moment for me, one of DS's most beautiful passages.  I have quite a few recordings and the work is done especially well by Sanderling, Kondrashin, and Jansons.  Also Jurowski's alarmingly slow but powerful SACD on Pentatone.
Title: Re: Pretre conducting Mahler
Post by: Alexandros on February 06, 2008, 10:46:44 AM
HMV Japan is releasing M5 and M6 from Pretre and the VSO this month.
Has anyone heard any Mahler performances with Pretre conducting ?

i uploaded a month or so ago his recent Mahler 1/Bizet 1 VPO concert. here are the links:

http://rapidshare.com/files/83682725/pretrevpo.zip.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/82401113/pretrevpo.zip.002
http://rapidshare.com/files/83679590/pretrevpo.zip.003

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