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Someone knows the contents of the 'Gustav Mahler Complete Edition' that soon publish the Deutsche Grammophon?
(http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/imgs/s300x300/4778825.jpg)
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That's easy to guess:
Bernstein/NYPO,RCO,VPO Mahler cycle + song cycles
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Boulez/VPO,CVLO,CSO Mahler cycle + songs
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a combination of both.
There is no way they would include recordings from Sinopoli's cycle.
John,
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There is no way they would include recordings from Sinopoli's cycle.
May be, but remember that it is a complete edition of 20 CDs, and Sinopoli's 'Das Klagende Lied' is the only one who has recorded Deutsche Grammophon of that work. And, of course, apart from the cycles of Bernstein, Boulez and Sinopoli, don't forget Kubelik and Abbado (almost two). The German label has also, as we all know, Mahler's recordings of Karajan, Giulini, Ozawa, Jochum, Harding, Dudamel, Kaplan, Scherchen. So the mystery is to know what type of complete is editing.
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Already published the contents of the box:
1: Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik (DG)
Blumine: Boston Symphony Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa (DG)
2: Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta (Decca)
Todtenfeier: Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Pierre Boulez (DG)
3: Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink (Philips)
4: The Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez (DG)
5: Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein (DG)
6: Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado (DG)
7: Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli (DG)
8: Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georg Solti (Decca)
9: Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan (DG)
10 (Cooke): Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Riccardo Chailly (Decca)
Das Lied von der Erde: Araiza, Fassbaender / Berliner Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini (DG)
Des Knaben Wunderhorn: Quasthoff, von Otter / Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado (DG)
Lieder eines Fahrenden Gesellen: Hampson / Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein (DG)
Rückert-Lieder: Hampson, Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein (DG)
Kindertotenlieder: Hampson, Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein (DG)
Das Klagende Lied: Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Riccardo Chailly (Decca)
And a CD with:
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
1 Frühlingsmorgen
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
2 Erinnerung
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
(Arrangements for Orchestra by Luciano Berio)
3 Hans und Grethe
Thomas Hampson, Philharmonia Orchestra, Luciano Berio
4 Serenade (from: "Don Juan")
5 Phantasie (aus "Don Juan" von Tirso de Molina)
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
6 Um schlimme Kinder artig zu machen
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
7 Ich ging mit Lust durch einen grünen Wald
8 Aus! Aus! "Heute marschieren wir!"
Anne Sofie von Otter, Ralf Gothoni
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
9 Starke Einbildungskraft (Des Knaben Wunderhorn)
Thomas Hampson, David Lutz
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
10 Zu Straßburg auf der Schanz
11 Ablösung im Sommer
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Lieder und Gesänge aus der Jugendzeit
(Arrangements for Orchestra by Luciano Berio)
12 Scheiden und Meiden
Thomas Hampson, Philharmonia Orchestra, Luciano Berio
Songs from "Des Knaben Wunderhorn"
Orchestration: Harold Byrns
13 Nicht wiedersehen
14 Selbstgefühl
Bernd Weikl, Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli
Frühe Lieder
15 Im Lenz
16 Winterlied
17 Maitanz im Grünen
Thomas Hampson, David Lutz
Klavierquartett (1876)
18 1. Nicht zu schnell
Gidon Kremer, Veronika Hagen, Clemens Hagen, Oleg Maisenberg
Carl Maria von Weber (1786 - 1826)
Die drei Pintos (completed by Gustav Mahler)
19 Entr'acte
Russian National Orchestra, Mikhail Pletnev
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Thanks for posting this. Now I'll have four copies (three too many) of Kubelik's M1 (not counting the live one)! And a few too many Solti M8s.
And I hope they use the later Karajan M9.
Looks like a must-buy.
db
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Already published the contents of the box:
I may have chosen a bit differently, but all-in-all that's a pretty good selection. Each of the main 11 symphonies are covered by a different conductor -- not any one conductor is used on more than one occassion.
So that sounds like a pretty good game, how would y'all spread out the symphonies using those rules (only DG-related label releases, each conductor can only be used once)? The hard part for me is that I am stuck using Chailly on M10 (on which he is just fine -- but I don't believe there is any other DG M10), but I could easily consider him for M3, M4, M5, M6, M8 or M9 too!
1: Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik (DG)
2: Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin Mehta (Decca)
3: Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink (Philips)
4: The Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez (DG) -- (I could easily substitute Ozawa/Boston here)
5: Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georg Solti (Decca)
6: Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein (DG) -- (rather use Lennie here than in M5)
7: Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado (DG) -- (rather use Abbado here, though I like his M6)
8: Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli (DG) -- (I can see why they stuck with Solti though)
9: Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan (DG) -- (although I could happily use Dohnanyi/Cleveland or Ozawa/Boston)
10 (Cooke): Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, Riccardo Chailly (Decca)
Das Lied von der Erde: Araiza, Fassbaender / Berliner Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini (DG)
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This box looks excellant...and since it will fill a few holes in my collection I'm seriously considering it.
--Todd
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And I hope they use the later Karajan M9.
Yes, it's. Karajan M9 (1982)
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This would be a great set for someone who has virtually NO Mahler in their collection, without fear of duplication of what they already have.
About the only curiosities as far as I'm concerned are the song orchestrations by Harold Byrns and Luciano Berio, though I would rather have had orchestrations by Mahler himself. For those songs not orchestrated by Mahler, I'd prefer piano accompaniment.
Too bad arrangement couldn't be made with Sony Masterworks/BMG to reissue the complete Bertini "Die Drei Pintos".
Wade
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...I don't believe there is any other DG M10)...
They could've used the Harding/VP, also on DG. (Too new, perhaps? All of the recordings listed have been around for some time...)
Russell
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...I don't believe there is any other DG M10)...
They could've used the Harding/VP, also on DG. (Too new, perhaps? All of the recordings listed have been around for some time...)
Russell
Excellent! That allows me to have more fun! ;D
Now I'd program it this way:
1: Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Rafael Kubelik (DG)
2: New York Philharmonic Orchestra, Leonard Bernstein (DG) -- best use of Lennie IMO
3: Concertgebouw Orchestra, Bernard Haitink (Philips)
4: Cleveland Orchestra, Pierre Boulez (DG) -- (I could easily substitute Ozawa/Boston here)
5: Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Georg Solti (Decca)
6: Concertgebouw Orchestra, , Riccardo Chailly (Decca)
7: Berliner Philharmoniker, Claudio Abbado (DG) -- (rather use Abbado here, though I like his M6)
8: Philharmonia Orchestra, Giuseppe Sinopoli (DG) -- (I can see why they stuck with Solti though)
9: Berliner Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan (DG) -- (although I could happily use Dohnanyi/Cleveland or Ozawa/Boston)
10 (Cooke): Wiener Philharmoniker, Daniel Harding (DG)
Das Lied von der Erde: Araiza, Fassbaender / Berliner Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini (DG)
Now I have a first tier favorite in all but the M4 and M10.
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With all the great M7s in the DG catalog, I can't believe that they want to use the Sinopoli. Not only does it have brass "clams" (flubbed notes) here and there - in addition to an excessively long fourth movement (2nd Nachtmusik) - but the timpanist makes a terrible counting mistake at his second entrance in the finale. This is not just an obscure fact, as it sounds both obvious and awful. Why not use Sinopoli for the 8th in lieu of the overly-touted Solti one (and why have Solti at all?)?
Obviously, a set like this can't please every one who is already familiar with all these recordings. But choosing Sinopoli for the 7th instead of the 8th is a really poor decision. I, for one, won't purchase this, and won't give it more than 2 or 3 stars at Amazon. They could have done better.
Also, the Abbado "DKH" is dull as dirt. The Chailly is far, far better.
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Could somone help me find a link to the DG website or Amazon where this can be found? All my searches only point me towards Lenny's box.
???
--Todd
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Could somone help me find a link to the DG website or Amazon where this can be found? All my searches only point me towards Lenny's box.
???
--Todd
Oddly enough, when I tried searching for "Mahler" on the DG web site (now the "DG Web Shop--I hate it!!!), this set didn't come up, but when I searched for "Mahler Complete Edition", it did. Here's the link:
http://www2.deutschegrammophon.com/cat/result?sort=newest_rec&PRODUCT_NR=4778825&SearchString=mahler+complete+edition&SEARCH_OPTIONS=&IN_XXSERIES=&IN_XXPQ=&per_page=10&COMP_ID=&ALBUM_TYPE=&IN_SERIES=&ART_ID=&IN_XXAWARDS=&start=0&MOZART_22=0&GENRE=&presentation=list&ADD_DECCA=0
Russell
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Could somone help me find a link to the DG website or Amazon where this can be found? All my searches only point me towards Lenny's box.
???
--Todd
My *guess* is this is it on amazon, but there's not enough information to be 100% sure (disc number, record label, etc)....price and release date look good.
http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Complete/dp/B003BZC2RU/ref=wl_it_dp_v?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2CEQ0NF9L5EVB&colid=2J4UDZ9UMNM4I
Am I not seeing it or are there only 18 discs accounted for on the DG site? Unless 19 and 20 are Die drei Pintos....
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I'm going to throw another curve. In a big, complete set like this, I think it helps to use recordings that have tons of extra tracks. For that reason alone, I would have chosen the Kaplan/VPO M2 (it's far better than most people think); the Abbado/VPO M3, and the Abbado/CSO M7. All of those came with tons of extra tracks.
The Abbado/VPO M3 doesn't have great sound. But by this point, surely DG could re-phase and re-master it to the point where it could actually sound quite good. It also possesses the incomparable Jessye Norman.
I know there are people who would squake about using the Kaplan/VPO M2. But it's actually a very good performance - not a great mezzo, I know - and it has a pretty full sounding organ. That's important
Therefore, my lineup would look something like this:
M1: Ozawa/BSO, with "Blumine" placed in the 2nd movement position (not just an addendum).
M2: Kaplan/VPO (with tons of extra tracks)
M3: Abbado/VPO (w/ tons of extra tracks)
M4: Chailly/Concertgebouw (B. Bonney is great)
M5: Kubelik/BRSO
M6: Boulez/VPO (still his best Mahler performance)
M6: Abbado/BPO (for A/S movement order)
M7: Abbado/CSO (for the tons of extra tracks)
M8: Sinopoli/Philharmonia
DLvdE: Giulini/BPO (I like their pick on this one)
M9: Karajan/BPO (again, the "live" one for all the extra tracks)
M10: Harding/VPO (but the Chailly is just as great; maybe even better)
So yes, I would give two M6 performances; one in S/A, and the other in A/S. Besides, DG is stacked full of good M6 recordings.
I would also use the Chailly "DKW", instead of the truly dull Abbado/BPO one. Either that, or wait and see just how good this Boulez/Cleveland one turns out.
Just my two cents. I think they could have thought this through a bit more.