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General Category => Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions => Topic started by: cilea on July 08, 2010, 05:57:25 AM
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FYI.
http://www.mahler150.com
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The Current Winning Cycle is disconcerting. :o :o :o
L.
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I thought so too, although the Bernstein M7 and M6 seem pretty consistent with a lot of people's opinions on the board and Chailly's M10 is a good recording as well. It seemed as though most of the recordings were older and, as it is only DG/Decca, a lot of people's favorites may not even be represented to begin with. With a composer like Mahler it's doubtful that there will ever be a consensus on which interpretation is the "best" or which one is the "right" way; in all honesty, it's for the better because it keeps Mahler's music alive and interesting for us since we each hear things in our own way. At the very least this is a good way to listen to an entire symphony online and not just a short excerpt...
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The unfortunate limitation of this is that it will be limited only to recordings which Universal has rights to. The other biggie, Sony, has a treasure trove that cannot be ignored.
Wade
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FYI. http://www.mahler150.com
Thank you. I just listened to the first, third, and fourth movements of M4 performed by the SFSO and Edo de Waart at this site. Having heard it only once before on the radio a long time ago and never seeing it subsequently in print, I thought maybe what I had heard was a concert re-broadcast. I thought then and now that it is a beautiful performance.
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It'll never happen, but ideally, the cycle should be a collection of the more difficult to find performances, that still stand out as fine recordings.
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In order for this to truely work to its potential all of the different labels would need to come together. Then we'd truely have something...
I hope Sony follows DG...it would be interesting. Does anyone besides EMI have wrights to say, the Rattle M9?
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Abbado M6 is currently the recording of choice over Bernstein. The Bernstein M5 is now in the running and it wasn't before.
I'm surprised by M9...Giulini? Never heard much about this recording.
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The Giulini/CSO M9 was monumental when it was released and it remains my prime choice.
Listens to samples and read reviews at:
http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-Schubert/dp/B00004R7X2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1278851317&sr=1-1
Here is Classics Today's review:
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=2300
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Great to see the Haitink/European Community Youth Orchestra M9 on the M9 choices. Folks should check out this suprisingly "sturm und drang" M9 from Haitink. This recording has long been a favorite of mine. I think the youth orchestra here is amazing in their excitement and achievement of Mahler's sound world.
--Todd
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It's also great to hear the Chailly M10 again. My favorite version of Cooke ever.
--Todd
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I wish they had more of the recordings available for streaming...does anyone know if there are any plans to increase that number?
Also, about the M6...all of the recordings are in A/S order, regardless of how they were originally released.
I think DG should leave the movement ordering well alone. If a conductor plays the piece a certain way, then altering the order of the inner movements would also alter--and misrepresent--that conductor's vision of the work.
As much as I'd like to see the Bernstein or Chailly M6 in the set, I would really be turned away if the movement ordering was altered by someone other than the conductor. I understand that A/S is the current ordering in the Critical Edition...but I think DG switching the movement order on older S/A recordings is going one step too far. I can't help but think that if those conductors who recorded M6 in S/A order had wanted it A/S, they would have recorded it that way.
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...all of the recordings are in A/S order, regardless of how they were originally released. I think DG should leave the movement ordering well alone. ....
As much as I prefer A/S, I agree that the order should be as intended by the conductor at the time of the original recording (or if the conductor expressly wants it to be re-ordered now). Otherwise, let the listener fiddle with the order if they want to, just as we do now.
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After downloading the Giulini M9 from iTunes I eagerly voted my approval on Mahler150.com. Wow, what a performance! Any fan of the M9 who hasn't heard this one needs to ASAP.
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Really? I'll have to investigate...can you listen on the site?
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...can you listen on the site?
I think they intend for you to be able to, but even after logging in, I'm not able to access much of the material. Don't know why.
I'll add another endorsement of the Giulini/CSO M9—one of my long-time favorites. I'm glad DG finally solved the audio problems with that particular recording. There's a pirate recording circulating of Giulini doing M9 with Philadelphia from around the same time which is also quite fine.
James
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I was going to vote for the Bernstein M9 but once I heard the Giulini, I could tell why it was in the lead. ;-) I love Bernstein's Mahler, but goodness, the Giulini is a great account. Especially for all the stunning details that he reveals...wow.
Everyone probably already knows that i have a soft spot for the M9 Finale, and if you don't, you do now. LOL. So, that said...I love the way Giulini's horn plays the great restatement of the main theme at 6:45 in...wow. It is not emotionally excessive, per say...just nice and powerful.
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Something like what Philips et al. did when they made the 'Great Pianists Of The 20th Century' series happen is needed here.
Even those wonderful Kubelik recordings are largely superseded by their live contemporaries, released to acclaim on Audite. Their 3rd is a standout which won a Cannes award.
Hey, about the
...Giulini M9 .... Wow, what a performance! Any fan of the M9 who hasn't heard this one needs to ASAP.
There is a Philadelphia Orchestra version that deserves comparison (and enjoyment) which was broadcast once upon a time.
I have it up at my blog (shameless plug but its all for love not money, as wife points out repeatedly)
http://statework.blogspot.com
Let me know what you think!
Guillermo
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I checked the current list and now it is perfectly plausible.
L.
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One I didn't see was Haitink's 80's studio digital M7.
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Something like what Philips et al. did when they made the 'Great Pianists Of The 20th Century' series happen is needed here.
Even those wonderful Kubelik recordings are largely superseded by their live contemporaries, released to acclaim on Audite. Their 3rd is a standout which won a Cannes award.
Hey, about the
...Giulini M9 .... Wow, what a performance! Any fan of the M9 who hasn't heard this one needs to ASAP.
There is a Philadelphia Orchestra version that deserves comparison (and enjoyment) which was broadcast once upon a time.
I have it up at my blog (shameless plug but its all for love not money, as wife points out repeatedly)
http://statework.blogspot.com
Let me know what you think!
Guillermo
So, how the heck can I get this Giulini/PO M9th??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
John,
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...or it this all joke? :o
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...or it this all joke? :o
John,
No, it's no joke. I have it and have listened to it twice. Just go to his Website, scroll down slightly over halfway, and find "Mahler" in the list of composers on the right side. Click on "Mahler" and you'll find yourself on the Mahler page—the Giulini/Philly M9 is right at the top. I believe he puts the link to the download in the comments section for each recording—click on "comments" and you'll be in business.
James
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...or it this all joke? :o
John,
No, it's no joke. I have it and have listened to it twice. Just go to his Website, scroll down slightly over halfway, and find "Mahler" in the list of composers on the right side. Click on "Mahler" and you'll find yourself on the Mahler page—the Giulini/Philly M9 is right at the top. I believe he puts the link to the download in the comments section for each recording—click on "comments" and you'll be in business.
James
Thanks Guillermo!
I have gotten a lot of great stuff from this blog.
Cheers!
--Todd
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One I didn't see was Haitink's 80's studio digital M7.
In fact, it seems a ghost recording. Somebody considers it the best among Haitink's Sevenths (I wonder why best recordings seems to be always the ones more difficult to trace...).
L.
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I would not consider it the best of his various Mahler 7's. It has a good first movement and second Nachtmusik. But both the scherzo and finale are too lethargic sounding by almost half. I know that Mahler marks "not too fast" for the scherzo, but Haitink makes it 11 minutes long, and it's just dull. The finale doesn't pick up any speed or punch in the back half. It's just there.
I think Haitink's very first one is still his best, along with the one that's in the Christmas concerts box. They're also better recorded. The digital one is a VERY EARLY digital recording, and is very thin in the lower end of the orchestra. If you wanted a performance that somewhat resembles Haitink's digital M7, the Zinman/RCA is vastly better.