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General Category => Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions => Topic started by: Freddy van Maurik on October 02, 2010, 08:15:23 PM
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... or at least so it would seem, considering the release info HMV Japan sent me: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3922180 (http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3922180)
Phew... for a second there, I thought RCA might wait a while, hoping to sell a few more of the complete set.
Freddy
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Great news! Having already invested in 4 of his symphonies (none at full price, but still) this will make it much easier to finally hear the Carpenter version!
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Great news! Having already invested in 4 of his symphonies (none at full price, but still) this will make it much easier to finally hear the Carpenter version!
You can get the Carpenter ed. now from Delos: Litton/DSO recording.
It's an outstanding recording in every sense and I am very happy with it.
John,
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Zinman's M10 clearly completes his cycle of the numbered symphonies, but does anyone know if he will also do 'Das Lied von der Erde' ?
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Zinman's M10 clearly completes his cycle of the numbered symphonies, but does anyone know if he will also do 'Das Lied von der Erde' ?
Nothing planned as far as the discography on his personal homepage (http://www.davidzinman.org/discography.php) says.
You can get the Carpenter ed. now from Delos: Litton/DSO recording.
It's an outstanding recording in every sense and I am very happy with it.
Others were less enthusiastic about it, so it hasn't been a priority.
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This is welcome news. The Litton is ok, certainly better than the Farberman performance. It will be great to have another recording of this most interesting version available.
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Zinman's M10 clearly completes his cycle of the numbered symphonies, but does anyone know if he will also do 'Das Lied von der Erde' ?
Nothing planned as far as the discography on his personal homepage (http://www.davidzinman.org/discography.php) says.
You can get the Carpenter ed. now from Delos: Litton/DSO recording.
It's an outstanding recording in every sense and I am very happy with it.
Others were less enthusiastic about it, so it hasn't been a priority.
Zoltan,
Both Barry and I were very enthusiastic about the Litton when it first came out.
I still regard this a great recording of a complete M10, regardless of the version. The playing & recording are as perfect as I can imagine.
John,
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I very much like the Litton, but I certainly welcome the Zinman as well. I very much like Zinman's cycle in general.
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http://www.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-David-Zinman/dp/B00458T8BA/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1286633049&sr=1-1
"This title will be released on November 9, 2010."
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That's the "import" version. The domestic release (i.e. cheaper) probably won't be for several months later. That's been the pattern with the Zinman cycle. Very strange.
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That's the "import" version. The domestic release (i.e. cheaper) probably won't be for several months later. That's been the pattern with the Zinman cycle. Very strange.
Knowing that for some "cost is no object", I thought there be might be some interest in knowing it was available in the US in a month.
I plan to wait to buy it when the price is lower. Having heard the Cookes, Wheeler, Carpenter, Mazzetti, and the Barshai completions, I'm not in a hurry to get a Carpenter. However, setting sonics aside, I'll be very interested to hear the assessment of others here before getting this one.
Lately I've been listening to this cycle backwards. I'm convinced that Zinman was very intentional about his approach to the M9 in the context of those that preceded it. Some may recall my initial negative assessment. I thought the first movement was practically skeletal, the inner pair rather conventional, and the last movement cold. As a stand-alone performance, it left me without solace, and now I think that is exactly what Zinman intended.
With that in mind, I anticipate that his M10 might be quite kaleidoscopic, a counter the emptiness of his M9. As I vaguely recall, the Carpenter was 'busier' than the Cooke verisions that I favor. As I wrote, I'll be interested to read what others think.
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The Carpenter version is not only "busier" sounding, but it's vastly more "conjectural" - sometimes taking us deliberately into the expressionistic sound world of Berg's "Wozzeck" and "3 Pieces For Orchestra". This is especially true in spots in the second movement (first scherzo).
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The Carpenter version is not only "busier" sounding, but it's vastly more "conjectural" - sometimes taking us deliberately into the expressionistic sound world of Berg's "Wozzeck" and "3 Pieces For Orchestra". This is especially true in spots in the second movement (first scherzo).
That's precisely why I like it so much! :D ;D
John
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The Carpenter version is not only "busier" sounding, but it's vastly more "conjectural" - sometimes taking us deliberately into the expressionistic sound world of Berg's "Wozzeck" and "3 Pieces For Orchestra". This is especially true in spots in the second movement (first scherzo).
I concur with your "conjectural" inference. I'm late to the M10 party and probably have embraced the Cooke version precisely because less is conjectural and thus rather spare. I believe Mahler at his end still was rooted in the Romantic era though clearly in what is extant in M10 he was exploring the new realm of his successors. I am not at all familiar with Berg's works (and only recently have investigated Webern having recently purchased the Cleveland disk at Rasputin Music!). What I recall of the Carpenter struck me as 'augmented' rather than 'authentic', but I need to investigate this version more on its own merits. Maybe Zinman will provide the impetus.
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audio samples here:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/SESSIONID/b159350ed87bc14dec89f71f4c9272ad/classic/detail/-/art/Gustav-Mahler-Symphonie-Nr-10/hnum/4560696
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audio samples here:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/SESSIONID/b159350ed87bc14dec89f71f4c9272ad/classic/detail/-/art/Gustav-Mahler-Symphonie-Nr-10/hnum/4560696
Yep, I got mine (arrived yesterday) through jpc.de - haven't found the time to listen yet, though.
Freddy