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Title: M10 scores
Post by: hrandall on November 05, 2011, 11:34:09 AM: I see that there's an edition available of the score for Cooke's performing version of M10. I wonder if the Wheeler version has been published? I've looked around and not been able to find it. Does anyone know where it can be found? Or any of the other various versions? (Barshai in particular)

Cheers,
Herb
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: barry guerrero on November 05, 2011, 08:10:33 PM: I know that the Barshai score was floating around for a few enthusiasts. I don't know if it actually has a publisher. The problem with the Wheeler is that there are at least 3 or 4 different versions of it. The situation is somewhat the same for Carpenter.
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: waderice on November 05, 2011, 08:58:03 PM: I haven't tried to obtain a study score for any edition other than Cooke, though when I did years ago, it then was extremely expensive, and likely still is. So I opted for only the Universal edition of the Adagio only. Additionally, as for the other versions, they likely are expensive as well. And the problem of which edition is which probably applies to Cooke as well.

Wade
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: James Meckley on November 05, 2011, 10:01:02 PM: I believe the only score to the Cooke version currently in print is:

Gustav Mahler
a performing version of the draft for the
Tenth Symphony
prepared by
Deryck Cooke
in collaboration with
Berthold Goldschmidt
Colin Matthews
David Matthews

Published by Faber Music, Second Edition (1989?), 246 pp. Some Amazon alternate sellers have it available for around $50.00, which strikes me as quite reasonable.

James
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: Roffe on November 06, 2011, 08:59:17 AM: You can even get it for $32 in paperback from

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0038BUNIM/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1320569714&sr=1-2&condition=new

only one copy left, so hurry if you want it.

Roffe
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: James Meckley on November 06, 2011, 03:42:08 PM: Quote from: Roffe on November 06, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
You can even get it for $32 in paperback from

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0038BUNIM/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1320569714&sr=1-2&condition=new

I don't know exactly what this is (very few details are provided), but it's published by Associated, not Faber; it's 68 pages, not 246; and no mention is made of Deryck Cooke. I suspect it's a score to the first movement only.

James
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: hrandall on November 06, 2011, 05:19:27 PM: Quote from: James Meckley on November 06, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Roffe on November 06, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
You can even get it for $32 in paperback from

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0038BUNIM/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1320569714&sr=1-2&condition=new

I don't know exactly what this is (very few details are provided), but it's published by Associated, not Faber; it's 68 pages, not 246; and no mention is made of Deryck Cooke. I suspect it's a score to the first movement only.

James

Thanks for the info. I would be afraid of the $32 item, lacking a description. I've asked Santa for the Cooke score James mentioned; we'll see if Santa is a Mahler fan, too. :)

Best,
Herb
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: hrandall on November 06, 2011, 06:11:43 PM: And what of this infamous Guerrero performing version we keep hearing rumors of? ;) Can I pre-order that yet?

Cheers,
Herb
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: barry guerrero on November 06, 2011, 11:32:32 PM: Nope. My plans for working on Mahler 10 have been sidelined by real life circumstances. I'm having to look after my mother - who's no problem at all - as well as work three somewhat low paying jobs in an effort to barely squeak by. There's literally no spare time.
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: Roffe on November 07, 2011, 05:30:26 AM: Quote from: hrandall on November 06, 2011, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: James Meckley on November 06, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Roffe on November 06, 2011, 08:59:17 AM
You can even get it for $32 in paperback from

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0038BUNIM/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1320569714&sr=1-2&condition=new

I don't know exactly what this is (very few details are provided), but it's published by Associated, not Faber; it's 68 pages, not 246; and no mention is made of Deryck Cooke. I suspect it's a score to the first movement only.

James

Thanks for the info. I would be afraid of the $32 item, lacking a description. I've asked Santa for the Cooke score James mentioned; we'll see if Santa is a Mahler fan, too. :)

Best,
Herb
Sorry for the possibly misleading info. I didn’t look too closely. Thanks, James, for clarifying that it might just be, and probably is, the Adadio.

Herb, I’m sure that Santa Claus is a huge Mahler fan and will provide the necessary score. In the ‘good, old’ Haitink days, Santa always had the Mahler Christmas concert from the Concertgebouw televised all over Europe.

Roffe
Title: Re: M10 scores
Post by: Zoltan on November 10, 2011, 03:44:11 PM: Quote from: barry guerrero on November 05, 2011, 08:10:33 PM
I know that the Barshai score was floating around for a few enthusiasts. I don't know if it actually has a publisher.

Universal Edition is the publisher: Link (http://www.universaledition.com/10-Symphonie-in-5-movements-F-major-for-orchestra-Gustav-Mahler/composers-and-works/composer/448/work/7112).

I'm lucky that my local library has both the Cooke and the Barshai scores. Quite fascinating to follow the Cooke edition which has Mahler's work printed below on each page, or how differently Barshai orchestrates ("Shostakovich's 16th" -- some reviewers scoffed) while using known Mahler performing indications.