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Title: Henze's Mahlerian opening?
Post by: Frankler on August 03, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
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When I was 16, I started listening to some contemporary composers. I purchased the first 6 symphonies of Henze which was released on DG'S 20th century collection. One of the symphonies had a movement opening which sounded very similar to some of the Mahler's fiery openings, IN PARTICULAR (5th, II). I believe the Henze symphony that I'm speaking of is the 3rd, but can't be sure. Has anyone heard Henze's symphonies?
Title: Re: Henze's Mahlerian opening?
Post by: Dave H on August 03, 2008, 02:40:19 PM
The Third opens with a triangle tap and some light, high-pitched sounds. Perhaps you are referring to the second movement of the Second, or perhaps the start of the Fifth, which might be compared to a dim recollection of the opening of Mahler 2, but honestly I don't hear anything that the two obviously have in common beyond some very basic qualities (i.e. loud and fast, etc).

Dave H
Title: Re: Henze's Mahlerian opening?
Post by: Frankler on August 03, 2008, 02:45:35 PM
One of Henze movement open similarly as the second mov. of the M5. I'd have to listen again. I do remember that after the opening it became extremely atonal, it was only the opening that was relatively consonant.
Title: Re: Henze's Mahlerian opening?
Post by: Dave H on August 04, 2008, 01:53:10 PM
If that is what it sounded like to you, then it's your call. I think perhaps you are referring to the second movement of the Second Symphony, which I mentioned previously--but I checked out all of them and none of them strike me as similar to M5(2) in any meaningful way. Different people hear these things differently!  :)

Best,
Dave H