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Title: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on December 09, 2020, 02:03:23 PM
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/new-and-future-releases?date_range=Next+90+Days&search_query=mahler
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on December 09, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
I can’t imagine what late Mahler is going to sound like from this team. The only point of reference we have is the Gilbert M9 from BIS, which is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on December 09, 2020, 08:24:27 PM
After the Tenth, they will release a Third.

John
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on December 12, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
.   .    .   that's assuming the 3rd gets performed this March (I think it's March - sometime early 2021).
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on December 12, 2020, 01:09:46 AM
I’m wondering if the pandemic has postponed the finishing of this cycle, or even canceled part of it. Anyone know anything about 8 or 9? And I know Vänskä’s time with Minnesota is almost over.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on December 12, 2020, 04:10:19 AM
Knowing a bit about how R. von Bahr operates, I'm certain he'd like to present a complete cycle. The rest is up to Covid and Vanska/M.S.O. Even if his term runs out, both parties may want to complete the cycle as well.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on December 15, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
Timings are,

I. 26:21/ II. 11:27/ III. 4:14/ IV. 11:50/ V. 23:14 = 78:20

In Japan it will be released on January 20, 2021.

https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Mahler-1860-1911_000000000019272/item_-Cooke-Symphony-No-10-Osmo-Vanska-Minnesota-Orchestra-Hybrid_11464970

John

Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on December 15, 2020, 11:12:24 PM
First movement seems a little slow for my taste, but I like the look of that finale. I’m basing my preferences off my favorite, the Dausgaard.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on December 16, 2020, 07:25:19 AM
Yep. I'm not crazy about a 26 minute first movement either. But if anyone can make that work, it's Vaenska. It's interesting that he goes relatively fast from there on.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on January 15, 2021, 08:14:10 PM
Cover art is on Presto for this release, as well as the timings (which we already knew).

Cover looks great as always!

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8863810--mahler-symphony-no-10
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on January 15, 2021, 09:32:29 PM
In Japan it will be released on 1/20.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on January 15, 2021, 09:34:55 PM
Olson and Litton both took over 26 min. in I. and very successfully held it together. I think the movement can survive 26 min duration (Wyn Morris' version runs over 28 min!).

John
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on January 15, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
Maybe it’s just me, but the first movement of M10 feels like it just drags on and on. I like what Dausgaard does with it in 23:16

I’m not ruling anything out though. In fact, I even like what Yannick N-S does with it in 26:27 for his Montréal recording.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on January 16, 2021, 12:43:32 AM
.    .    .  25:30 in his Rotterdam Phil. one, which I think is much better than his Montreal one. But like you, Erik, I prefer that all those long worked-out development passages just flow right along. 23:16 works great for me too. Most likely I won't buy the Vanska, simply because I just don't need yet another really good recording of the Cooke version.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on January 16, 2021, 11:30:48 PM
Andrew Litton took (Carpenter ed.),

26'23", 13'10", 4'13", 14'19", 20'50" and it worked great.

I really like the long Adagio- (relatively) short Finale proportion.

John

Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: John Kim on January 16, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
I like the YNS/RPO M10th recording very much too. But he did even a greater M10 with BRSO which unfortunately won't see its daylight due to copyright issues. That version, if ever released, will be my reference M10th (Cooke).

John
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: erikwilson7 on January 20, 2021, 04:09:19 PM
Audio samples are now available on Presto for this one as well. I like everything I heard. The three inner movements sounds pretty fantastic, and I love the timbre of the finale’s bass drum and tuba playing.
Title: Re: Presto showing March 5 release for Vanska/Minnesota M10 - no cover art yet.
Post by: barryguerrero on January 20, 2021, 07:38:02 PM
Thanks a lot, Eric. Now I'll have to buy yet another Cooke III Mahler 10!  Seriously though,   .    .    .

If you're going to strike the bass drum that loud and that 'sharp' like, then I think it should be done offstage. But here's what I would do:

I think it's stupid that there are two bass drum strokes linking the final two movements. If Mahler had finished the symphony AND decided to keep both strokes, I'm certain he would have differentiated them. I would have the first stroke (the last note of the fourth movement) played really loud, but offstage. Then I would do the second stroke (first note of the fifth movment) played onstage, but softer and more 'muted' in quality. I would do most, if not all of the strokes in finale's introduction that way. Then when the bass drum returns AFTER the flute solo and the big build-up passage that's dominated by the strings, I would have that first stroke be both loud, and played onstage. I would then revert back to an alternating combination of offstage and onstage bass drum strokes, altered to make the volume come out roughly the same, which either way.