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Exactly, John. Even though the first movement reaches to 35 minutes, it just doesn't sound like it. I listened to the first movement twice yesterday, and I was 'riveted' both times. It's just great. I also love how he ramps up the tempo and tension going to the climax of the Scherzo's faster middle section. In addition, I noticed how the glockenspiel and triangle were very audible and 'bright' sounding near the conclusion of the "bim-bam' choral movement. I actually sort of like the unusual hesitation Bychkov does before the very final D-major chord of the finale (between the penultimate and final chords).
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Barry

I've given the Jarvi/TOZ M5th a listen on streaming but have not noticed the sound issue you mentioned. Will try it again. On my listening I liked Jarvi's conducting and concept although there're couple moments where Jarvi slowed down for no good reason (he did the same in his recent Bruckner recordings with the same orchestra) depriving the music of flow and forward momentum.

John
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Agreed. I think it is terrific, especially in I., III., V., and VI. Although I. runs over 35 min. it never feels dragging thanks to Bychkov's perfect pacing and CPO's wholly idiomatic playing. The Scherzo III. is, as Barry put it, just perfect with the post horn solo placed at a very good location and flowing so nicely. The Adagio is the culmination of this performance. At over 25 min. it may feel occasionally a bit 'static' but what a conclusion to the great symphony! My impression is based on headphones listening on streaming. Incidentally, my CD arrived just now so I will play it soon to get a better estimate. But I know I already like it very much.

PS The female and boys choirs sing brilliantly in V. It may be the best sung account ever recorded.

John



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Hi. I'd like to get some other folks input on this. I've listened through the Paavo Jarvi/Tonhalle Zurich recording of M5 at Spotify. It seems a decent enough performance. But the recording itself .   .  I'm not so sure about. It appears to be one of those recordings where everything sounds loud. Yes, there's dynamic range to it. However, the low strings are so boosted up that it just seems to make everything sound loud. As if to underline my point, all the soft tam-tam strokes in the first movement are really audible, but the big, fortissimo tam-tam smash towards the end of the second movement seems no louder. Perhaps it's because I've been listening to the excellence of the new Bychkov/Czech Phil M3. Or, perhaps, it's just that every conductor and every orchestra on Earth appears to recorded Mahler 5 multiple times. Frankly, I think it's a mistake for these record labels and conductors to begin their cycles with the fifth symphony. As David Hurwitz says, it's the hardest one to get right. Perhaps more accurately, M5 is the most difficult one to make distinguished sounding. With all its Bach-like, contrapuntal chugging, it's very easy for it to sound routine.

The last Mahler 5 to knock my socks off, was the completely ignored Jaap van Zweden/London Phil. one (it's on the LPO's inhouse label). 
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Hi. I know I tend to get enthused over new recordings, but this Bychkov/Czech Phil. M3 is much, much better than I had anticipated. I think this may truly be a home run. I till need to do more listening to get the overall effect, from start to finish.
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It's up early on E-Classical. What I've heard so far, I think Bychkov might have hit this one right out of the park. I'm very pleasantly surprised. Even though the first movement stretches to 35 minutes, it just doesn't sound like it does. He seemed every detail correct across the entire first movement. My ONLY slight complaint have about the first movement, as I would have liked for the offstage snare drum solo - just before the recapitulation - to have been a tad less distant and a tad slower. That's pretty minor. I like how does the end of the symphony too. It's a little bit different, but I like it.
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Hi folks. Having recently bought a copy of the Zdenek Macal M3 for half price at Grooves Land, I was finally able to do an A/B comparison with that and the Ken-Ichiro Kobayashi M3. Both are on the Japanese Exton label. Both are with the Czech Philharmonic. The copy I have of the Kobayashi M3 is a pair of 'burnt' discs, most likely made on a computer burner. They were sent to me years ago. The sound quality is not as good as it is on the Macal M3, although there may have been a small amount of degradation in making the Kobayashi copy on a computer. In order to make the comparison somewhat more comparable, I played them both on my Sony five-disc CD changer, and not on the Toshiba DVD player I own, that can also play SACD layers. Enough of the preliminaries.

I like both of these performances very much. The timings are rather similar. Both are performances that 'flow along' nicely. Kobayashi is a bit heavier and more intense, particularly in the two outer movements. Macal's performance is more relaxed; has excellent sound quality, and can be described as a thoroughly 'musical' rendition. As a result, I like Kobayashi more in the two outer movements (the climax of the long brass chorale in the finale is outstanding!!!), and Macal more in the inner four movements. Macal clearly has the better mezzosoprano with Birgit Remmert (she's also on the Simon Rattle/Birmingham M3).

The offstage posthorn solo (third movement) is excellent on both recordings (same trumpeter?). Although, it could be argued that it's not far enough in the distance on both recordings. Personally, I like that, as I hate having to struggle to hear any offstage instruments. As I recall, everybody praised the offstage posthorn on the Vaclav Neumann recording on Supraphon as well. Perhaps it was the same trumpeter for all three (?)  .   .    .   And speaking of 'offstage', the brief offstage snare drum solo in the first movement is much better on the Kobayashi recording.

To summarize: Kobayashi for the two outer movements, Macal for the four inner movements (particularly the second movement). The sound quality is excellent on the Macal M3.
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Thank you for checking. The link that John provided to me sounds quite good, so I'm set for the time being.

Barry
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I just sold my SACD on eBay last week. I may have ripped it previously, will check tomorrow.

EDIT - sadly I did not, I only have his M1, 3 and 5.
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I’m flying up from Victoria to hear them next Saturday in the Elgar Violin Concerto and Vaughan Williams’ ‘A Pastoral Symphony’. Two of my favourite works.
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