Author Topic: Rattle/EMI Mahler box definitely remastered - NOT!!!  (Read 16243 times)

Offline barry guerrero

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Re: Rattle/EMI Mahler box definitely remastered - NOT!!!
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 05:34:46 PM »
John, I think that there might be different recording venues involved as well. At the very least, M3 and M8 use the new symphony hall in Birmingham. I really like Rattle's M6 and M7 more than I did before, just because of the difference in sound. I'll check out the Vienna M9 tonight, and see if that stikes me as sounding different now.

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Offline John Kim

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Re: Rattle/EMI Mahler box definitely remastered - NOT!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 06:18:33 PM »
Rattle's M2 and M6 both were recorded at Watford Town Hall, three years apart. Yet, I much prefer the sound in the 2nd. Yes, please check the Vienna M9th.

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Re: Rattle/EMI Mahler box definitely remastered - NOT!!!
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2007, 06:37:51 AM »
John,

I took some time tonight to listen to Rattle's M9/1 (first movement) on headphones. Yes, the sound is a bit different. But it's not enough of an improvement to make me like this performance more. In fact, I thought it highlighted its shortcomings even more. The climactic passages had a bit more bite and definition in the lower range, but the softer parts seemed almost inaudible. Strangely enough, it reminded me a bit of the old Abbado/VPO M3 - particulary with the horns always blasting so loud.

I've always had my suspicions that the Abbado/VPO M3 used generous chunks from live takes - possibly of Austrian Radio origin. The American tuba player in the VPO - now deceased - told me that there were a lot of problems in making that particular recording; with Abbado going over many passages in separate takes. Anyway, the extreme dynamics; loud horns; thuddy timpani (more pronounced now); loud tuba (less pronounced now) - all of that reminded me of the Abbado/VPO M3, as well as some of the Maazel/VPO Mahler cycle too. For the life of me, I can't understand why Rattle felt that this was such a great performance. I'd rather hear the 9th played by the BPO anyday. And I'm sure that Rattle's conducting of it has improved in the meantime as well.

 

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