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Offline Phaedrus

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Finally arrived!
« on: November 11, 2007, 08:09:09 PM »
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Hi,

Finally arrived at the record store: Reiner's CSO SACD version of "Das Lied von der Erde" and Zinman's SACD M3.

I had ordered the Reiner a couple of weeks ago and it's simply breathtaking. Those guys from Soundmirror know what they're doing: A recording done in 1959 (that's 7 years before I was even born) and it sounds so fresh and vibrant, as if recorded yesterday, and great soloists too. I also have the Oue and the Klemperer, but the Reiner is my new favorite. Der Abschied is monumental.

Zinman's M3 I am not quite sure about: played it twice this weekend and haven't quite formed my opinion yet.

Also bought the David Oistrach Bach/Brahms Tschaikovsky on DG, and te stereo disc (Bach) has a hge soundscape and very round sound. That's a big plus if you expect the worst.

MTT's dkL was also there, it sounded magnificent, but I simply refuse to shell out €32,-- for a single disc SACD (For comparison: The Zinman 2CD was just €23,--).

There hasn't been much buzz in this forum about MTT's dkL, just saw it mentioned once, oversight on my part?

So for now, I will try to avoid the record store for another month, and start saving again. Just listened to Harnoncourt's Weinachtsoratorium on HM, but I'm quite happy with my Gardiner.

OT: I just finished reading Peter Hoeg's "The quiet girl" for the second time, a novel in which the main character can hear in which key people are tuned. Fiction or fact? If fact, I'm very interested in further information.

Regards from Holland!

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Offline barry guerrero

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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 09:03:44 AM »
The MTT/SFSO "Das Klagende Lied" is the same exact recording that was issued by RCA in the mid '90's. Obviously, it's been remastered and "multi-channeled" for SACD. I think it's one of MTT's very best Mahler recordings.

Also, try to check out the original, first version of the piece, which has been recorded by Kent Nagano on Erato.

Barry

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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 09:00:10 PM »
The MTT/SFSO "Das Klagende Lied" is the same exact recording that was issued by RCA in the mid '90's. Obviously, it's been remastered and "multi-channeled" for SACD. I think it's one of MTT's very best Mahler recordings.

Also, try to check out the original, first version of the piece, which has been recorded by Kent Nagano on Erato.

Barry

I wish they'd have done the same thing with M7.  I much prefer RCA's London SO version to the SFSO one. 
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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 09:33:45 PM »
The MTT/SFSO "Das Klagende Lied" is the same exact recording that was issued by RCA in the mid '90's. Obviously, it's been remastered and "multi-channeled" for SACD. I think it's one of MTT's very best Mahler recordings.

Also, try to check out the original, first version of the piece, which has been recorded by Kent Nagano on Erato.

Barry

I wish they'd have done the same thing with M7.  I much prefer RCA's London SO version to the SFSO one. 

Thats what I hear regarding this LSO version...not haven't heard both yet (although I have them)...whats the differences between them?

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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 09:36:34 PM »
As far as know, unless the original recording had been made in DSD format, remastering it in SACD won't improve the sound quality at all. Thus said an audio engineer working at Telarc company.

So, was the MTT/LSO/RCA M7th recording using DSD technique? It sounds pretty darn good already in the regular CD format.

John,

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Thanks everybody!
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 10:19:40 PM »
Thanks Barry and everybody for your kind reply. I'll be putting MTT's dkL and Nagano's first version of dLvdE on my shortlist for the holidays, if they are that good.

Never knew that a first version of dLvdE existed, nor had ever been recorded.

Plenty of good stuff to start saving for again. ;)

Best regards!

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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 06:40:22 PM »
As far as know, unless the original recording had been made in DSD format, remastering it in SACD won't improve the sound quality at all. Thus said an audio engineer working at Telarc company.

So, was the MTT/LSO/RCA M7th recording using DSD technique? It sounds pretty darn good already in the regular CD format.

John,

Since it was recorded in the last 10 (?) or so years, the recording was probably made at a quality level in excess of the 16/44 capabilities of a CD.  I would guess that the recording was made at either a 24/48 or 24/96 resolution, and down-rez'd for CD.  As such, an SACD (or DVD-A) could present the full resolution of the original recording. 

I agree that it is a wonderful sounding recording, and it would potentially sound even better at its full resolution (assuming such is in excess of the red book CD standard).   
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Re: Finally arrived!
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 06:38:57 AM »
If you want to stick your head into a snake pit, just go to the Mahlerlist, and challenge those guys on the M6 order movement business. Then point out that there are, in fact, all kinds of, "against the rules" stuff that goes on with Mahler. One of them is this: "Waldmaerchen" belongs to the first version of "Das Klagendelied", and not the revised version. Yet, nobody has squaked about the ongoing practice of doing "DKL" in a "hybrid" version for decades.  In the first version, the Wedding Piece (Hochzeitsstuck) has a series of fun sounding tam-tam smashes near the start, as well as a big crescendo on the tam-tam at one juncture. The first version also calls for 11 different vocal soloists. On the Nagano recording, they use four "big-name" soloists, plus a number of soloists taken from the Halle Choir, as well as two boy soloists from the Wienersaengerkanben (Vienna Choir Boys)! In the first version, Mahler asks for six harps, as well as all kinds of unusual windband instruments. On the Nagano recording, it's hard to tell if much effort went into replicating Mahler's original specifications. A Db flute, for example, may not sound terribly different from other flutes.

In many ways, including "Waldmaerchen" with the revised version of "DKL" is like doing the revised version of M1 with "Blumine" reinserted into its original, second movement position. Along those lines, one shouldn't reinstate the third hammerstroke into the finale of M6, unless they also do the orginal orchestration that surrounds it (or at the very least, the couple of bars that lead into it). There are subtle but significant differences in how that particular measure is approached in the two versions of M6.

In M7, MTT's earlier LSO one wasn't nearly so frantic sounding in the first movement. On the SFSO one, it's just absurdly fast - far faster than the bulk of the finale. The first Nachtumusik had far more atmosphere on the LSO version as well. On the SFSO version, it's incredibly plain-spun and literal sounding. I do like MTT's more nutty sounding tempo contrasts in the finale of his SFSO M7. But the bright, "Star Wars" sounding brass of the LSO are practically ideal for that movement as well. On the whole, I prefer his earlier one. I also prefer his earlier LSO M3 to his increbidly boring SFSO one. That's just me - I don't like slow, "Parsifal" like renditions of what really is, on the whole, the crown jewel of Mahler's early "Wunderhorn" period.
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