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Offline John Kim

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Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« on: July 18, 2008, 05:45:25 PM »
Not having listened to it for the last 3 years I am now finding it very much to my liking. Leaper's timings are not that off from the mainstream:

I. 21:35
II. 16:17
III. 10:08
IV. 13:45
V. 17:18

But with his flexible tempos carefully and sensibly applied and his careful execution of many passages, especially those leading to the big climax in I. (that comes after the central 'moonlight' section) make this recording extremely attractive. His treatment of the second theme in I. is another highlight; he slows down the tempo but also scales down the dynamics here so it fits into the whole cohesively. I don't recall the critically acclaimed Abbado recording on DG was this good at this spot. Elsewhere, Leaper maintains the same general approach with the two lyrical Nachtmusik movts., the Scherzo movt. that has, along with Ozawa/BSO/Philips, the best trio section, and lightly sprung but high spirited Finale.

All in all, a real sleeper in the discography of Mahler's most 'troubled', if not the least favorite, symphony. The playing is equally excellent. I quite like it and it is making my happy Friday right now  :D ;D.

John,

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 05:53:46 PM »
If you'll recall from years ago, I always felt that Leaper's M3 and M7 were real budget priced "sleepers" in the Mahler discography - far better than their Naxos equivalents. Leaper's M4 and M5 were decent too.

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 06:10:54 PM »
Barry,

I like Leaper's M3rd too but find his approach which shares many insights with his M7th a bit too lightweight for a symphony this gigantic and mammothly scaled. But it's still pretty good.

John,

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 06:27:11 PM »
I'm more concerned about the continuation or logic of the symphony's narrative. It's an extremely long symphony as it is. I feel that the end-of-the-world type of dynamics are already built into the piece. I didn't think that Leaper's "southern storm" - the climax of the first movement's development section - sounded too lightweight at all; or that parts of Mahler's intricate percussion writing were inaudible there. Neither did I feel that the climax to the finale's long brass chorale passage was wanting in lung power either. In fact, I liked how Leaper made the bass drum roll sound as loud as the rolls coming from the two timpanists at the crest of the long brass chorale (located at the spot of the 6th movement's last cymbal crash). It gave that passage a sort of low rumble that's missing on most of them - something like a 727 on takeoff.

John, I know that you like the ultra-loud horn playing that you hear on Abbado's earlier VPO M3. It's truly exciting as all get-up, there's no denying that. Unfortunately, the VPO trombones don't come close to matching the horns on that particular recording. It's also a huge exaggeration, as even the VPO horn section would never sound THAT loud when seated farther back in ANY hall. The recording was made from a very, VERY up-front perspective. Given that fact, it's a pity that many of the symphony's really soft passages almost disappear, even when you jump-up to turn the volume way up. It's a very exaggerated perspective (and like many folks, I just don't care for the spunge-y sounding timpani at the end of the symphony, combined with the rather screechy quality from the trumpets on their high notes).
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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 12:35:57 AM »
I really ought to go and grab that Leaper M3 I see at one of the used stores here...

As exciting as the Abbado's early (or first) DG M3 is, the Rogner (on Berlin classics) goes even farther in the first movement in terms or earthy wildness and abandon.

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 12:39:55 AM »
Oh...that said...Abbado's early M3 is still my top M3  :o ;D  Zinman's recent account is pretty near it though... :) 

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 03:38:33 AM »
Oh...that said...Abbado's early M3 is still my top M3  :o ;D  Zinman's recent account is pretty near it though... :) 

--Todd
The Abbado may have the sonic limitations as Barry indicated but it still sounds great in many passages. And I don't mind sitting through a 30 min. long Finale as Abbado had done here.

John,

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 04:12:27 PM »
Oh...that said...Abbado's early M3 is still my top M3  :o ;D  Zinman's recent account is pretty near it though... :) 

--Todd
The Abbado may have the sonic limitations as Barry indicated but it still sounds great in many passages. And I don't mind sitting through a 30 min. long Finale as Abbado had done here.

John,

Indeed...the reason I feel this is my top M3 is because the execution of the last three movements is so fine, and the concept of taking us beyond the earthly realm is very convincing, and a nice contrast to the "earthy" first three movements...in no other recording of M3 do I look this much forward to hearing the last three movements.


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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2008, 09:57:56 PM »
Oh...that said...Abbado's early M3 is still my top M3  :o ;D  Zinman's recent account is pretty near it though... :) 

--Todd
The Abbado may have the sonic limitations as Barry indicated but it still sounds great in many passages. And I don't mind sitting through a 30 min. long Finale as Abbado had done here.

John,

Indeed...the reason I feel this is my top M3 is because the execution of the last three movements is so fine, and the concept of taking us beyond the earthly realm is very convincing, and a nice contrast to the "earthy" first three movements...in no other recording of M3 do I look this much forward to hearing the last three movements.


--Todd

Correction!

I was listening again to the Zinman M3 today, right after revisiting the early Abbado DG M3...

and I have to say the Zinman is indeed more convincing after comparing...it amazes me the more I listen...

--Todd

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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 06:21:20 AM »
Of course, because it's not like you're hearing two different symphonies in one. There's much better continuation of the overall narrative on the Zinman. Look, if a person wants to go listen to Parsifal, then go listen to Parsifal!!!  Mahler 3 should not sound like that. And if it does, then the first three movements should come closer to matching the last three movements. Jessye Norman is great, but I just think that she got put to far better use on the Ozawa/BSO M3 - a true sleeper. 

Here's another opinion that I have: the best M3 that has a 27 minute long sixth movement is Levine/CSO (I prefer 22 to 24 minutes). The Levine has far greater variety of tempi and "moods" along the way (as well as an excellent second movement) than the Abbado, not to mention just being better clarified in terms of instrumental detail. Herseth does an excellent job on the posthorn solos, and the acoustics of Medinah Temple flatter the CSO far better than Orchestra Hall does. It's truly a winner (just a tad too much contrast between the first and last movements for my taste, is all). Marilyn Horne isn't quite as idiomatic as Jessye Norman, but the choral "bim-bam" movement is excellent on the Levine (and get the Ozawa for Norman).

Barry
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Re: Leaper/Gran Canaria/Arte Nova M7th - revisit
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 11:11:53 PM »
If you'll recall from years ago, I always felt that Leaper's M3 and M7 were real budget priced "sleepers" in the Mahler discography - far better than their Naxos equivalents. Leaper's M4 and M5 were decent too.

Barry

Recalling John's and Barry's favorable impressions of this recording, I picked up a copy from a Borders store.  As they reported, it is really very good.  I has no excesses, is an engaging performance, and is very well played.  Sound certainly is satisfactory, though not a 'present' as I recall Abbado or Barenboim were.  In all, $5.99 well spent.
Russ Smiley

 

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