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Offline Jot N. Tittle

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Re: CSO Resound
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 05:15:58 PM »
Thanks for a clear and thoughtful response to Pickett's observations, Barry.

I want to look more closely at your specific observation:

The clarinet note at bar 397 in M5/3 is one of very short duration, played in their extreme low register. I don't feel that the note is there, simply to finish the descending arpeggio that the violins are playing. If that were the case, Mahler could have simply let the violas finish it. Instead, it strikes me as a very deliberate effect. I'm not sure that it would sound any less loud with two clarinets, than with three. There's simply no other competition to be heard at that spot. However, the difference between mf (mezzo forte) and ff (double forte) is two notches (single forte being the only dynamic level between them). That would make a difference, for sure. But since the note is in their extreme low register, I don't have a problem with it being played loud, and doubled up as well. It doesn't strike me as comical.

Now consider the difference between hearing the performance (following Mahler's markings) as recorded in mono or early stereo--i.e. with fewer microphones and possibly more like a concert hall experience--and hearing a recording with close miking of the clarinet. I think that difference is what Pickett is getting at. He seems to be saying that an engineer's decision to close-mike in order to emphasize an instrument or a section can result in a distortion of the composer's intentions.

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Offline barry guerrero

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Re: CSO Resound
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2007, 05:15:13 AM »
It's not that simple. Yes, there are accent mikes spread throughout the stage when "studio" type recordings are made. But often times, those accent mikes aren't even cracked open. And when then they are brought up, the percentage of volume that they're adding of any particular instrument - or group of instruments - is usually rather small. That's not to say that microphones in front of an orchestra hear music exactly the way humans do. In some respects, they hear better - more sensitive. But recording engineers are well aware that humans can detect pretty minute differences in regards to balances. I would say that if anything, engineers are often times too conservative - not willing enough to highlight certain effects; or bring up instruments that are sounding deficient in some way.

I'm not saying that the author of this article is outright wrong. What I'm trying to convey, is that it's a more complicated issue than just saying that the solution is to use first versions for recording purposes. First off, why would the author of that article assume that dynamics were always softer, and sound effects kept down more, in all of Mahler's first versions? As I tried to illustrate, Mahler actually reduced percussion and brass in his revised versions of M5/1 (just the percussion in this instance) and M6/4. Mahler often times altered his balances from performance to performance; hall to hall; orchestra to orchestra. He never stopped adjusting his scores in these matters pertaining to balances and dynamics.

 

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