Author Topic: Anyone try the new "Excurtions Of Mr. Broucek" on DG yet (Janacek)?  (Read 15292 times)

Offline barry guerrero

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Re: Anyone try the new "Excurtions Of Mr. Broucek" on DG yet (Janacek)?
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2008, 06:07:32 PM »
I probably spoke too soon, but I just felt like things were reaching a, "here we go again", unproductive state. When things reach a point where people are going back and forth with, "that's not what I said; please read carefully what I wrote", types of responses, that's when I feel we begin to resemble any number of other classical music blog sites. We've tried to avoid that here. But I haven't been feeling well over the last few weeks - culminating in a one day state at a local hospital this weekend - which undoubtedly colored my response. Sorry for any hurt feelings. As David suggested, in the future, I will allow the moderator to step in if he so feels inclined to.

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Re: Anyone try the new "Excurtions Of Mr. Broucek" on DG yet (Janacek)?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 01:19:35 PM »
No biggie, Barry, and certainly no hurt feelings (though I can only speak for myself of course). Debating can be fun and it can be useful too.... as long as we stay on the substance and don't start twisting the interlocutors' words to build strawmen, subjectivize the point, deflect from the matter at hand, whatever. That, to borrow a favorite reviewers' phrase, is just "boring."  :)  -PT

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Re: Anyone try the new "Excurtions Of Mr. Broucek" on DG yet (Janacek)?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2008, 05:25:50 PM »
Now that I'm feeling a bit better, I'd like to add my zwei groschen regarding "Broucek". Maybe what was making me crazy, is that I feel that there's some truth in what both Polarius and David were saying. That said, I really take more of David's side - if there even are such a thing as "sides" involved here - in that I too really like the two short operas that make up, "The Adventures Of Mr. Broucek".

Yes, "Broucek" has some of the flaws that Polarius points. But I prefer it to "Jenufa", which I feel is just a tad too conventional and predictable for my liking - sort of a Janacek meets Puccini affair (very pretty music, obviously)i. "Broucek", on the other, has more of the adult fairytale feel that is the essence of "The Cunning Little Vixen". The story is a tad bizarre and unorthodox like "The Mikropolous Case", but far less serious. I also feel that the nationalist overtones within it are really of little or no significance. In my opinion, one does not have to be Czech, or know their Czech history just to enjoy "Broucek". Anway, I like it.

What I really want to know about, is how the new recording on DG is. I don't anticipate any promotional copies getting sent out to us meager retailers, so I'll just have to take the plunge at some point.

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Re: Anyone try the new "Excurtions Of Mr. Broucek" on DG yet (Janacek)?
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2008, 06:10:19 PM »
But Barry, the points I brought up were all analytical and not evaluative. I said nothing about whether "Broucek" is nice or not as a work and whether we should like it or not. That's a different matter entirely. For instance, even if about one hundred years ago the second act was written and realized as a nationalist paean or something for the Czech people, it will very likely deter no one from liking it on political grounds. And observing this historically patriotic character of the work is of course not tantamount to saying that it contains no beautiful music. The same is true about "Broucek's" position in Janacek's total output, or the role of folk elements in it, and everything else that we discussed: those are just observations based on analysis of the work and say nothing about the pleasurable experiences it may offer to many. Just the same way as very few people have found compelling political reason not to enjoy, say, "Meistersinger." And we don't have to be 19th-century German nationalists to appreciate the accomplishments of this opera, either. Or turn-of-the-century Fennomans to be moved by Sibelius's tone poems inspired by and serving this Finnish nationalist movement.

So sure, go ahead and enjoy it, as do I from time to time (but not very frequently since there is a lot of competition on my shelf which in my view is superior in so many ways, and much of it from Janacek himself, too), but that's not the same as taking a position on the analytical points I brought up (by the way those points are not original by me but simply reiterations of what is commonly known about this opera or alternatively kind of open for anyone to see).

To sum up, you can't counter those points I made by simply saying that "But I still like it...". What you can do, if you want, is to show that the observations made were incorrect, but, frankly, I don't think there are many who'd want to push the point.

And you are of course right in that between the two works, "Jenufa" is the one clearly closer to the themes and character of Czech village opera, to whose conventions it tries to directly appeal in so many ways (incl. the obviously more verismo style, compared to the "Broucek").

So I'm sorry if this sounds like one of those "But that's not what I said!" type of objections that you dislike, but, really, I never did say whether or not I or anyone should "like" "Broucek." That's beside the whole point.

-PT
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