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Offline pianobaba

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« on: September 24, 2013, 09:19:57 PM »
Hello, I'm new to the board, I am quite obsessed with Mahler, but that is probably a common ailment here. A few Mahlerian notes about myself:
-My favourite Mahler symphonies are arguably his 2nd and 6th, though I love them all (including the 10th completions).
-I visited Mahler's grave in 2011, sadly I didn't get a chance to hear any Mahler in Vienna during the trip (my visit was actually part of a Liszt pilgrimage so it wasn't planned to coincide with any specific performances of Mahler).
-For all of the symphonies I tend to enjoy multiple performances and approaches, except for his 2nd, Klemperer's 1961 recording is unassailable for me, every other recording I've heard has ultimately been disappointing. I am still open to hearing more but my CD purchases are tending towards the other symphonies now as a result.
-For his 6th, I vastly prefer the scherzo/andante order, though I can still enjoy great performances with the andante/scherzo order.
-I am always interested in transcriptions and pieces which make use of Mahler's material, from Bruno Walter's transcription of the 1st symphony for piano 4-hands, Uri Caine's recordings, Schnittke's 5th symphony etc.
-I listen to an enormous range of music, but Mahler is definitely one of the greatest peaks.

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Re: Hello
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 11:48:05 PM »
Welcome. Hey, purely out of curiosity, what does Schnittke do in his fifth symphony that is Mahler like?

I'm not nearly as open minded as you are - the Uri Caine stuff does nothing for me.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 12:53:47 PM »
In Schnittke's 5th, the 2nd movement was originally intended as a piece for piano quartet meant to act as the 2nd and final piece of Mahler's unfinished quartet. Schnittke enters a dialogue with Mahler by answering subtle fragments from the Mahler quartet with different techniques of Schnittke's musical language, usually in counterpoint with the Mahler, this continue with growing intensity and larger texture until the literal quote from Mahler is played by a piano quartet free of Schnittke's musical context, the 3rd and 4th movements do not use any Mahler quotes, but they are Schnittke's attempts to write symphonically as Mahler did, at least in his late style, not as a pastiche or straight imitation, but more symbolically and elements of form. (Interesting note, his 5th is actually titled "Concerto Grosso No. 4/Symphony No. 5" as it counts as his 4th Concerto Grosso as well, the 1st movement is written in a Baroque concerto grosso form, but with Schnittke's contemporary musical language). Schnittke's first 5 symphonies are extremely rich responses and reflections on musical history, particularly German musical history with an arc going from Bach to Mahler.


Oh, and I forgot to mention, I also actually prefer Mahler's orchestration for string orchestra of Schubert's "Death and a Maiden" quartet to Schubert's original (which is still superb). I easily imagine that Mahler would be hands-down my favourite conductor if we had recordings of him (alas... sigh), at least in his preferred repertoire.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 06:59:54 PM »
Hello Pianobaba

Are you a Schnittke fan?  I love his Faust cantata, and his film music is beautifully melodic and inventive, The Ascent suite has that great rising crushing climax.  I'm a fan of the Schnittke string quartets, i have yet top buy the atma recordings of the his chamber works but they are on the wishlist.

Do you like the Shostakovich string quartets? 

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 07:44:28 PM »
Hello Pianobaba

Are you a Schnittke fan?  I love his Faust cantata, and his film music is beautifully melodic and inventive, The Ascent suite has that great rising crushing climax.  I'm a fan of the Schnittke string quartets, i have yet top buy the atma recordings of the his chamber works but they are on the wishlist.

Do you like the Shostakovich string quartets?

I am a very big fan of both Schnittke and Shostakovich, I wish BIS would just release a reasonably priced box of all their recordings (though the release a year ago or so of the 10 symphonies for just over $20 was a nice touch). I admit I have not heard his Faust cantata, but I love his symphonies, concerto grossos, concertos, quartets and most of the other chamber music I've heard. His Epilogue for Peer Gynt for piano, cello, and taped choir is exquisite, reminds me of the Adagio from Mahler's 9th.

Oh, and I'll be making a point of seeing the Met in HD presentation of Shostakovich's The Nose in late October.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »
Welcome.

You've inspired me to look at Schnittke.

I'm seeing/hearing The Nose at the Met in a couple of weeks and am really looking forward to it.

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 01:14:07 AM »
Hello Pianobaba

Are you a Schnittke fan?  I love his Faust cantata, and his film music is beautifully melodic and inventive, The Ascent suite has that great rising crushing climax.  I'm a fan of the Schnittke string quartets, i have yet top buy the atma recordings of the his chamber works but they are on the wishlist.

Do you like the Shostakovich string quartets?

I am a very big fan of both Schnittke and Shostakovich, I wish BIS would just release a reasonably priced box of all their recordings (though the release a year ago or so of the 10 symphonies for just over $20 was a nice touch). I admit I have not heard his Faust cantata, but I love his symphonies, concerto grossos, concertos, quartets and most of the other chamber music I've heard. His Epilogue for Peer Gynt for piano, cello, and taped choir is exquisite, reminds me of the Adagio from Mahler's 9th.

Oh, and I'll be making a point of seeing the Met in HD presentation of Shostakovich's The Nose in late October.

I have the Schnittke String Quartets by Kronos Quartet Nonesuch. Love the third quartet's fixed theme throughout the work. The agitato movement's 'build and climax' is my favorite of any string quartet ever. And the finale movement's climax is overwhelmingly emotional for me. I'd like to hear The Alban Berg Quartet performance of the 3rd. I'm also a big fan of the 4th quartet. Thanks for the other Schnittke recommendations.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 01:16:02 AM »
I forgot to welcome you pianobaba!

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 07:46:55 PM »
Ok well, full disclosure, I am a host of a community radio show, which is brilliant because it allows me enormous freedom in music programming which simply does not exist in commercial or government funded radio. I will boldly state my show's programming doesn't exist anywhere else in the world in a single coherent program (though it may lack some of the scripted polish of commercial or government funded radio, though those usually turn my stomach).  ;)

Anyway, I have been doing a Schnittke symphony cycle this year (up to no. 6 now) and all the programs in it are still available for listening anytime online:
The program with the 5th symphony with specific Mahler references:
http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/105/12279.html

the cycle so far:
http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/search.html?searched=1&searchstring=schnittke&type=Artist&programid=*

And everyone with a wide knowledge or familiarity of classical music should make a point of listening to his astonishing, jaw-dropping, shocking 1st symphony:
http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/105/10646.html

For curiosity, you can browse my Mahler symphony cycle I did in 2011, I tried to focus, though not exclusively, on historically significant Mahler conductors and recordings, sadly these are no longer available for listening online:
http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/search.html?searched=1&searchstring=mahler&type=Artist&programid=*

Show info
http://cod.ckcufm.com/programs/105/info.html
www.ckcufm.com

Note that I have been hosting this show for 19 years now, but the online playlist database only dates back to Jan 2010. And the playlists have become more extensively notated as features expand.

Sorry if this all strikes of self-promotion, that was not my intent in joining this board, but the tangential interest in Schnittke voiced here makes it seem more pertinent.

 :)

p.s. I should also point out that the show preceding mine is an urban hip-hop show... sometimes when listening online it begins with the end of that show...
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Offline barry guerrero

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Re: Hello
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 11:49:51 PM »
That's great! Good for you.

 

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