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Offline Russell

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2017, 11:56:55 PM »
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but Channel Classics has just recorded a new DLVDE with Fischer/BFO and soloists Gerhild Romberger and Robert Dean Smith.  Should be released about a year from now.

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2017, 02:33:44 AM »
Sheeesh   .    .    .   not exactly two stellar singers. I never want to hear Robert Dean Smith again.

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« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2017, 10:30:33 AM »
I knew that Minnesota & Vänskä recorded the Sixth last autumn and I read about the recording of the Second, so I was surprised to find out that the first Mahler release of Minnesota & Vänskä will be the Fifth!

https://smile.amazon.com/Mahler-Symphony-No-Minnesota-Orchestra/dp/B0711CKS48/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1498125409&sr=1-3

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Mahler-1860-1911_000000000019272/item_Symphony-No-5-Vanska-Minnesota-Orchestra-Hybrid_7982750

https://www.amazon.fr/Symphony-No-5-Sacd-G-Mahler/dp/B0711CKS48/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1498125591&sr=1-10

It could be interesting for the orchestra and the sonics provided by BIS. As for Vänskä's contribution, I did not find his Fifth with Hong Kong very special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yxolaffpo

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2017, 04:18:53 PM »
Sounds pretty good to me, and it's not quite Minnesota either. Crappy sounding tam-tam in the HK Phil, but the great Roland Szentpali is on tuba in this video.

I'll be curious to see who Vanska/BIS get for vocalists on M3 and M4. If they get a really good mezzo or contralto for M3, I might dump the Ivan Fischer. I'm just not impressed with Romberger. I think Vanska/Minnesota may conjure up more visceral impact in the two outer movements too.  Wait and see.

You would think that the HK Phil. - being much closer to Wuhan, China than the U.S. or Europe are - would have a great sounding, hand selected Wuhan tam-tam.
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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2017, 06:34:40 PM »
Apropos of Fifths... Jansons did it again:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Mahler-1860-1911_000000000019272/item_Symphony-No-5-Mariss-Jansons-Bavarian-Radio-Symphony-Orchestra-Hybrid_7999632

https://www.amazon.de/Mahler-Sinfonie-5-Mariss-Jansons/dp/B071JD84V9/ref=sr_1_1?s=music-classical&ie=UTF8&qid=1498127900&sr=1-1&keywords=B071JD84V9

https://www.amazon.fr/Sinfonie-5-allemand-Jansons-Mariss/dp/B071JD84V9/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1498127887&sr=1-1&keywords=B071JD84V9

This is his third recording of the Fifth, the second one with the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra. In 2016 he toured with Mahler's Fifth and Shostakovich Seventh. I heard both Symphonies while in Vienna, in March 2016. The Shostakovich was terrific. The playing of the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra was impressive, exception made for an hilarious mistake made by the timpanist at the end of the Scherzo of Mahler's Fifth: at bar 771, while the strings were playing pp, he started hammering his big pots as if it were bar 772!

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2017, 06:37:06 PM »
I find Jansons to be far more interesting in Shostakovich than in Mahler.
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« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2017, 08:00:23 PM »
I find Jansons to be far interesting in Shostakovich than in Mahler.

Shostakovich's Seventh made the balcony where I was seated tremble like an earthquake shake. It was terrifying, but of course in a good sense. It was not the case with Mahler and that's my main problem with Jansons's Mahler.

Before Mahler's Fifth, they played the Coriolano Ouverture on steroids of Mahler's Instrumentalretuschen, but I do not think it will be included in the CD release.

Instead of a third Fifth by Jansons, I need a second one by Ivan Fischer, accurately revised and corrected compared to the first one (even in the sonic department), which I consider a blot on an otherwise splendid cycle. 

And to keep speaking of Fifths, RCO should really release the Fifth conducted by Bychkov last November in Amsterdam. It was something unbelievable.

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2017, 11:50:21 PM »
So was his recording of the third. Brilliant, underrated conductor.

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2017, 07:38:46 AM »
Bychkov?   .    .    .  I saw him give an outstanding M6 with the Vienna Phil. in Berkeley. Interestingly enough, he rehearsed it in andante/scherzo order, then changed his mind before the concert. I'm glad he did because it sounded great in S/A order. I frankly liked his performance more than the M6 I saw Bernstein do with the V.P.O. in Carnegie Hall in the latter '80s.

Then again, it's the Vienna Phil., right?   .    .    .  just give a downbeat, walk off and let 'em play it.
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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2017, 06:34:08 PM »
Apropos of Fifths... Jansons did it again:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Mahler-1860-1911_000000000019272/item_Symphony-No-5-Mariss-Jansons-Bavarian-Radio-Symphony-Orchestra-Hybrid_7999632

https://www.amazon.de/Mahler-Sinfonie-5-Mariss-Jansons/dp/B071JD84V9/ref=sr_1_1?s=music-classical&ie=UTF8&qid=1498127900&sr=1-1&keywords=B071JD84V9

https://www.amazon.fr/Sinfonie-5-allemand-Jansons-Mariss/dp/B071JD84V9/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1498127887&sr=1-1&keywords=B071JD84V9

This is his third recording of the Fifth, the second one with the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra. In 2016 he toured with Mahler's Fifth and Shostakovich Seventh. I heard both Symphonies while in Vienna, in March 2016. The Shostakovich was terrific. The playing of the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra was impressive, exception made for an hilarious mistake made by the timpanist at the end of the Scherzo of Mahler's Fifth: at bar 771, while the strings were playing pp, he started hammering his big pots as if it were bar 772!

Sound Clips of M5/Jansons:

https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/gustav-mahler-symphonie-nr-5/hnum/7239344

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2017, 10:54:31 PM »
On Bartok, how can you not examine central Europe from 1910 to 1945, dark forces political and personal, Bartok's refugee status, and his fatal illness.

Bluebeard's Castle and the Miraculous Mandarin certainly raise deep psychological issues. And why are the night music movements not connected to both history and Bartok's psyche?

When Mahler asked Bruno Walter how one could live after  DLvdE, or when he was in tears after conducting a performance of the 6th, or when he scrawled the heart wrenching cries to Alma in the manuscript of the 10th symphony: how could that be "absolute music" with no connection to his personal emotions and psyche?

The claim that Mahler's music is "absolute music"-whatever that might be --seems to ignore far too much.

One can have whatever view one wants, but it seems very strange to think that art is a disembodied thing.

Best to all,

Tom in Vermont



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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2017, 04:15:12 AM »
Actually, I just watched that whole M5 video from HK and thought that this bodes really well for the upcoming Minnesota series. It's really good.

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« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2017, 05:31:17 PM »
Actually, I just watched that whole M5 video from HK and thought that this bodes really well for the upcoming Minnesota series. It's really good.

A beautiful run-of-the-mill performance of Mahler's Fifth, complete with an old fashioned, funereal Adagietto. Just waht we need in general for Mahler and in particular for his Fifth.

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« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2017, 05:34:03 PM »
On Bartok, how can you not examine central Europe from 1910 to 1945, dark forces political and personal, Bartok's refugee status, and his fatal illness.

Bluebeard's Castle and the Miraculous Mandarin certainly raise deep psychological issues. And why are the night music movements not connected to both history and Bartok's psyche?

When Mahler asked Bruno Walter how one could live after  DLvdE, or when he was in tears after conducting a performance of the 6th, or when he scrawled the heart wrenching cries to Alma in the manuscript of the 10th symphony: how could that be "absolute music" with no connection to his personal emotions and psyche?

The claim that Mahler's music is "absolute music"-whatever that might be --seems to ignore far too much.

One can have whatever view one wants, but it seems very strange to think that art is a disembodied thing.

Best to all,

Tom in Vermont

...moreover, Bluebard's Castle was a wedding gift for Bartok's first wife, whom he treated like a child.

Mahler did not stop writing program music, he simply withheld programs because people, especially critics, kept misunderstanding them or, worse, they thought the program came before the actual writing of the music.

What is really intriguing in music that tells a story is the way a the story is told through musical processes. If you have time for some stimulating read, you should try:

Mahler's Symphonic Sonatas (Oxford Studies in Music Theory) by Seth Monahan

Monahan's essays that can be downloaded for free:

http://www.sethmonahan.com/research.html

Richard Strauss's Orchestral Music and the German Intellectual Tradition: The Philosophical Roots of Musical Modernism (Indiana University Press) by Charles Youmans

and: Mahler and Strauss: In Dialogue (Indiana University Press) by Charles Youmans.

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Re: Forthcoming & New Releases 2017
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2017, 05:37:44 PM »
So was his recording of the third. Brilliant, underrated conductor.

I think that people tend to uderestimate Bychkov because he is not a showman of the podium. The same year he toured with the Wiener Philharmoniker and the Sixth, he came to Turin to conduct the Sixth and it was amazing: the orchestra seemed transformed and the results were fabulous. But he can make the difference even with a great band like the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, as I witnessed last year, when I attended two concerts in a month, the first conducted by Jansons (M7), the second by Bychkov (the above mentioned M5).

 

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