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Offline Ben

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Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« on: November 24, 2012, 02:21:31 PM »
I'd like to get board members opinions on their favorite recordings of any repertoire.  What recordings do you feel are some of the best ever made?  You know, those recordings where the stars aligned, conductor and orchestra were completely in sync, and magic happened.  It doesn't happen all the time, or even that often, but I think we can agree that when it does, it's an amazing experience.

Some of mine:

Shostakovich 7/Bernstein/CSO - Live recording (the finale is absolutely awe-inspiring; I still keep hope a video was made...)
Brahms 2/Kleiber/VPO - Live recording on DVD
Beethoven 5/Kleiber/VPO - A classic forever
Tchaikovsky 5/Gergiev/VPO - Live, one-off recording

I guess I seem to be a little VPO heavy...

So, what are some of your ultimate recordings ever made?

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 02:44:09 PM »
Here is my list, and I may append it from time to time:

Richard Strauss:  Also sprach Zarathustra (Reiner/CSO) (1954 recording - in very early stereo)
Richard Strauss:  Ein Heldenleben (Reiner/CSO) - also very early stereo
Rimsky-Korsakov:  Scheherazade (Reiner/CSO)
Orff: Carmina Burana (Jochum/Deutsche Oper Berlin) - 1967 recording
Tchaikovsky: Symphonies 4-6 (Mravinsky/Leningrad Philharmonic) - 1960 recordings
Mahler: Symphony No. 2 (Bernstein/NYPO) - 1963 Sony/Columbia recording
Mahler: Symphony No. 8 (Horenstein/LSO) - 1959 Albert Hall live recording
Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde (Ferrier, Patzak, Walter/VPO)
Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra (Reiner/CSO)
Shostakovitch: Symphony No. 5 (Bernstein, NYPO) (1959 recording)
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique (Beecham, ORTF) (either the mono or the stereo one recorded subsequently)
Wagner: Das Rheingold and Götterdämmerung (Solti/VPO)  (I don't think that the Walküre and the Siegfried in this particular Ring cycle are as good as the other two)

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 03:07:02 PM »
Wow - what a long topic this could be. Let me just say that my favorite orchestral work is Kodaly's "Peacock Variations". Any good sounding, modern recording of it works just fine for me.

I would have to rate Dudamel's DVD of Mahler 8 right up there. I also really like the Preiser recording of Beethoven's 9th in the Mahler 'retuschen'. Also along those lines, I would also highly rate Chailly's recording of the four Schumann symphonies, which are also in the Mahler 'retuschen'. I'm also really liking the BIS recording of Bruckner 4, which is in the 1988 revision. I'm not sure I'd put it at the top of my list though. I would rate the Jurowski/LPO recording of Tchaik's "Manfred" symphony right up as well.

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 05:20:32 PM »
Klemperer/NPO/EMI Bruckner 5th, 6th
Klmeperer/NPO/EMI Mahler 2nd
Bohm/VPO/Decca Bruckner 3rd, 4th
Bohm/VPO/DG Bruckner 7th
Karajan/BPO/DG Beethoven 4th, 7th (70s)
Bernstein/NYPO/Sony Mahler 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th
Bernsetin/NYPO/Sony Sibelius 2nd
Horenstein/LSO/Unicorn Mahler 3rd

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 06:40:29 PM »
I could add a good bit here, but I'll stick with the recording I find most important to mention. Abbado on RCA did an original Mussorgsky's version Night on Bald Mountain. This is a mega performance in every way. The flair and sensationalism fits perfecto with what I'm fairly sure Mussorgsky had in mind. Unbelievable disc, would of thought it remaster reissued over and over, but... The disc also includes a good deal of music from Khovanshchina, having its own 'powerhouse moments' also.
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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 03:13:48 AM »
I could add a good bit here, but I'll stick with the recording I find most important to mention. Abbado on RCA did an original Mussorgsky's version Night on Bald Mountain. This is a mega performance in every way. T
Yes, Abbado did a similarly sensational Debussy Nocturnes with the Boston SO on DG, recently reissued, at about the same time.  One of the few recordings he made with the BSO.

Other 'ultimates' of mine:

Liszt: Sonata, Zimerman/DG

Rachmaninov: Paganini Rhapsody, Wild/Chesky

Debussy: La Mer, Haitink/Philips

Bruckner: Symphony 2, Wakasugi/Arte Nova

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 06:31:25 AM »
I could add a good bit here, but I'll stick with the recording I find most important to mention. Abbado on RCA did an original Mussorgsky's version Night on Bald Mountain. This is a mega performance in every way. The flair and sensationalism fits perfecto with what I'm fairly sure Mussorgsky had in mind. Unbelievable disc, would of thought it remaster reissued over and over, but... The disc also includes a good deal of music from Khovanshchina, having its own 'powerhouse moments' also.

The fact that I hadn't owned or listened to the above mentioned recording in many years was simply too much a bummer, I recently bought it from Amazon. Not only the Bald Mountain but almost everything else on the record was very nostalgic, Joshua and the Scherzo in particular, awesome beyond words!

Way back I'd also had the Liszt Sonata with Pollini on DG, it was La Lugubre Gondola I most listen to on the album, and therefore got a mp3 of; Also a mp3 of Mephisto Waltz orchestral version with Masur, it is a fine performance, but not exactly the Karajan recording of my youth I knew so well, I had to get it as well.

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2012, 07:35:50 AM »
In some respects this will of course come down to personal preference, but trying to be as objective as I can here are a few more:
 - Shostakovich Symphony No.5 - Czech Philharmonic / Ancerl
 - Shostakovich Symphony No.7 - Bournemouth Symphony / Berglund
 - Beethoven Symphony No.5 - Vienna Philharmonic / Kleiber
 - Rachmaninov Symphony No.1 - Concertgebouw / Ashkenazy

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2012, 11:08:45 PM »
This thread is a great idea, there are some great non Mahler suggestions thanks for the Kodaly, Barry, I'm listening to it now on YouTube.  I'll add some of my own tonight.

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 04:39:07 AM »
This is not the greatest piece of music, but I bought this CD on Berkshire Record Outlet over 10 years ago and it has brought me many hours of listening joy.  It's always nice to hear something different.

Svetlanov Piano Cto: very interesting it is very Russian sounding, a bit cheesy, but a joy nonetheless.  You can find the 1st mvt on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymu_V1LHRTQ

This is the CD, can't find it online anymore.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/evgeni-svetlanov-piano-concerto-the-red-guelder-rose-preludes-symphonic-reflections-mw0001542388

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2013, 02:34:42 PM »
In all honesty, many of my favs are simply favs because they've made a very distinct impression on me, I can't fairly say otherwise. In many cases I've simply listened to certain recordings so often and having been so impacted, I often find other rendition make me feel alienated from a piece of music that I love, a slight difference in color or phrasing and I get so moody; I ask myself, 'Why did I even bother buying this?'

I know this forums is mostly involved in talk on new releases. and it is not as though I'm adverse to new things, but I bet many can relate, either pocket book wise, or the fact that, like me, it is tedious work getting reacquainted with yet another interpretation, not that I'd rather be digging ditches.
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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2013, 08:41:51 PM »
Klemperer/NPO/EMI Bruckner 5th, 6th
Klmeperer/NPO/EMI Mahler 2nd
Bohm/VPO/Decca Bruckner 3rd, 4th
Bohm/VPO/DG Bruckner 7th
Karajan/BPO/DG Beethoven 4th, 7th (70s)
Bernstein/NYPO/Sony Mahler 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th
Bernsetin/NYPO/Sony Sibelius 2nd
Horenstein/LSO/Unicorn Mahler 3rd

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Great list. Horenstein's 3rd is definitely on my list, also. A desert island disc!

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WAGNER Das Rheingold [1958] Solti
MONTEVERDI L'Orfeo [1987] Gardiner
MAHLER Symphony 6 [1967] Barbirolli
MAHLER Symphony 7 [1969] Horenstein
BRUCKNER Symphony 8 Karajan, VPO - my first Bruckner recording.

Still looking for my favourite M5...it's EMI's Barbirolli, maybe...
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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 12:03:02 AM »
This is not the greatest piece of music, but I bought this CD on Berkshire Record Outlet over 10 years ago and it has brought me many hours of listening joy.  It's always nice to hear something different.

Svetlanov Piano Cto: very interesting it is very Russian sounding, a bit cheesy, but a joy nonetheless.  You can find the 1st mvt on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymu_V1LHRTQ

This is the CD, can't find it online anymore.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/evgeni-svetlanov-piano-concerto-the-red-guelder-rose-preludes-symphonic-reflections-mw0001542388

I kind of take it back, there really is nothing wrong with this piece!  I just bought a new recording on Amazon of this performed by Ovchinnikov at piano with the St Petersburg Academic Symphony, I'm listening to it now, it's on a label called Water Lily Acoustics.  The performance is good, what strikes me is the sound!

Never heard of this label, the first page of the liner notes lists the technical details of the recording and monitoring equipment used.  I brushed off my 12 year old Sennheiser HD 600's which at their time were considered cream of the crop, and I'm no audiophile, but the sound really is amazing.  I will have to check out this record label some more.

But back to the music - this piano concerto is just great, I wish more people knew about it.

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 01:47:32 AM »
Water Lily Acoustics have been around for a long time; they tend to record off-beat literature (as you've discovered) or mainstream literature performed by less-well-known artists. The sound they achieve is generally quite impressive through the use of purist microphone techniques: coincident and quasi-coincident arrays—often Blumlein stereo (two bi-directional microphones oriented at 90 degrees). Two microphones in the right place in a good hall simply can't be beat.

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Re: Slightly OT: The Ultimate Recordings
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2013, 01:51:22 AM »
Water Lily Acoustics have been around for a long time; they tend to record off-beat literature (as you've discovered) or mainstream literature performed by less-well-known artists. The sound they achieve is generally quite impressive through the use of purist microphone techniques: coincident and quasi-coincident arrays—often Blumlein stereo (two bi-directional microphones oriented at 90 degrees). Two microphones in the right place in a good hall simply can't be beat.

James

The sound was so detailed and so lifelike, it was amazing.

Haha, I just checked out their site, they have a recording of Mahler 5 and Shosti 7 I'm going to try off of Amazon.  On Amazon the review for the Mahler 5 praises the performance but absolutely thrashes the sound quality, how ironic.  This should be interesting.
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