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Offline barry guerrero

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Norrington M5 better than expected!
« on: January 05, 2007, 08:34:00 AM »
Perhaps because of Dave Hurwitz's review at Classicstoday.com, I had expected much less of this new Norrington Mahler 5th. I got to tell you, it's surprisingly good. It's certainly far better conducted than the DePriest M5 that Naxos just issued. I think that the sound is better too. Since all of us agree that a great M5 has to have a great finale, I'm happy to report that Norrington does a sensational job with the last couple of minutes of the finale. It's also better than the recent Oramo/Birmingham (Warner Classics) too. The Oramo M5 is great in the fast bits, but loses tension and lacks imagination in any of the slower/softer bits. I'm going to listen to this some more, and then I'll make a review of it at Amazon, and transfer it to here.

This much I can tell you already: I'm probably having a rather postive reaction simply because I'm not at all caught up in the no-vibrato issue (strings only). It just doesn't matter to me that much. I like his 9 minute timing for the Adagietto, and Norrigton is far more flexible with its tempi than you might imagine.

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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 10:27:47 AM »
Looks like Amazon won't let us review it until the 9th - their release date. I'm giving it four out of five stars. The funny thing is, Amoeba already has it out for sale. So, I'll reverse the order. here goes (this is going to sound sort of official, for Amazon):

Oh boy, is it ever going to be fun to follow "professional" reviews of Roger Norrington's new Mahler 5. Is this is a case of Norrigton reinventing the wheel, or the emperor's new clothes? I'm leaning towards neither, and am judging it purely on its own musicality. In fact, other than the swifter tempi and vibratoless strings in the famous Adagietto movement, there's little that's radically different. Perhaps more than anything else, what's truly different is just the way it sounds. First and second violins are divided across the stage (nothing new there); horns on the left; remaining brass on the right; double basses spread against the back wall. Recorded live, the perspective is from somewhere near the front. Yet, the brass don't blow you out of the room, except where they should (excellent brass chorale at the finale's big peroration). That said, the horns are rather prominent thoughout. Woodwinds are quite far forward sounding, and the double basses have a happy home against the back - happy for us listeners; we can hear them! As with Norrington's Mahler first, the percussion are a bit inconsistent. However, the all important bass drum - greatly so in the third and fifth movements - is captured quite sufficiently (and not underplayed, either!). Hopefully, this gives you some idea of how it sounds. But what of Norrington's conducting? 

Perhaps more than any other Mahler symphony, the fifth requires a tremendous number of subtle and not-so-subtle gear changes on the part of the conductor, especially in the second and third movements. I'm happy to report that Norrigton jumps through these hoops of fire rather brilliantly - far better than you might expect. In fact, the last six or seven minutes of the second movement - some of the most interesting and shifting music Mahler ever penned - are handled every bit as well as they were on the Sinopoli M5; the highlight of that release. The scherzo, to my mind, is right on the money as well. So far - so good, but I'm going save the Adagietto for last. The finale is worrying, as Norrington takes his time to smell the flowers along the way. Simply put, he's not in a hurry to get to the end of the symphony. But once we get there, Norrington really pours on the coals. Descending trombones scurry; horns whoop-up their fanfare figures, and Norrington drives hard with the brass at rehearsal figure 32 - this is truly exciting stuff!  Then my next thought was, "is he going to hit the bass drum?". Then, "POW!" - there it is, right on target at rehearsal figure 33; which has the effect of propelling the chugging strings on to reprise of the big brass chorale tune - the major theme of the entire symphony - which is located at the pesante marking six measures later. Success! But wait, what of the Adagietto?

The Adagietto will probably be the most talked about movement of all. Personally, I find it to be far more moving than Gilbert Kaplan's equally didactic correction that he recorded, as a single, with the somewhat dry sounding London Symphony strings (certainly as much a problem with acoustics, as with tone production). Vibrato or no vibrato, Norrington gets his Stuttgart strings to scoop and swoon; rush ahead, and slow down yet again. It ain't stiff! But just as important, the accompanying harps are quite far forward sounding, and Norrington gets plenty of amplitude and richness of tone at the movement's climax (great low strings!). If there's a shortcoming to this performance, I would say that it's with the first movement.

Norrigton sort of rushes the symphony's opening fanfare, and each subsequent fanfare variant. But on the other hand, that makes for an interesting shift in tempo each time we settle into the funeral cortege. Unfortunately, the soft percussion underneath the procession is underplayed, as is so often the case (why, oh why!?!). However, the fast breakout passage is really well executed, as is the tricky transition back into the slower tempo. All in all, as a prelude to the rest of the symphony, it's not bad. Everything else easily makes up for it, especially the ending.
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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 05:18:15 PM »
Thanks for the excellent review.  I did not realize that it had not been released in the States yet.  That means that the BMG Music club release is probably several months away.  With such a glowing review, I won't be able to wait.   :-\
Scott

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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 08:26:07 PM »
Yeah, I agree, that was a great review!  I can't wait to hear this  8)

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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2007, 09:51:17 PM »
yeah, but what if I'm wrong   :-\  Hurwitz seems to think so.

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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 05:55:59 PM »
Great review, as always, Barry.  I got the Norriington yesterday and listened to most of it (all except the final movement) in the car while driving home from work.  I have to agree with everything that you say (and I can't wait to hear the finale!).  The sonority of the orchestra is what sets this apart from every other recording I have, and it's intriguing to hear those vibratoless strings in this music. Interpretively, Norrington is unexpectedly intense and passionate, though as you said, the opening fanfare is a tad rushed.  Once past that, it's a very satisfying performance.

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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2007, 07:22:32 PM »
Well, Norrington's M4 and M5 are both very pleasant surprises.  I agree wholeheartedly with most of your commentary, Barry.  Although the string sound strikes me as lacking body, there is a real textural clarity to the sound of the orchestra, and you can easily discern many different layers of instruments.  I generally like Norrington's overall tempos, but some of his individual choices can be a little bothersome.  As you mentioned, the opening fanfare is a little too rushed for my taste.  An early part of the Adagietto sounds rather herky-jerky rushed, whereas later in the same movement he really hits the brakes for a particular section.  In the finale, one or two of his transitions are rather clunky.  On the whole, though, this is a well-played and well conducted M5, with an intense Part I and a thrilling finale.  I am glad to have it in my collection. 

I actually had fewer complaints about the M4, which I would perhaps add to my first tier of favorites.  I re-read DH's criticisms of this performance.  One of his mentioned complaints is about the Adagio movement, the section where the "heavenly variation" has its accelerating tempos.  I really like the way Norrington speeds up this section, as if heaven is displaying its "fun" side, culminating in a giant and hearty "laugh".  I dislike it when a conductor takes this section too droopily.  Norrington is quite perfect here. 
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Re: Norrington M5 better than expected!
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2007, 08:25:32 PM »
Well, good; I guess I'm not too crazy. I mean, these wouldn't be absolute number one choices for me. But they make for pretty good supplements.

Barry

 

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