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Offline barry guerrero

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D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« on: January 31, 2016, 10:00:27 AM »
Well, I was lucky enough to just stumble upon Dave Robertson and the St. Louis S.O. doing M5 at Zellerbach Auditorium in Berkeley. I had no idea that they were even there. This was a very good performance with only a few minor 'clams' in the brass. Zellerbach has a computerized Meyer Sound system, which is the only thing that makes it possible for major symphony orchestras to play there (otherwise, it's a terrible hall). In the famous Adagietto for strings and harp (4th movement), the single harp was perfectly audible throughout the movement! By the way, the Adagietto was fabulous - the best I've ever heard it live. The St. Louis strings were excellent and Robertson didn't wallow with the tempo (neither did he rush it). The harp also made its presence felt going into the climactic passage of the second movement. There's a spot there, where the harp does several rapid glissandos (mostly ascending, I think). The other highlight was the finale, where Robertson allowed - or coaxed - the orchestra to expand its dynamic range in comparison to the first three movement. The big brass chorale sounded terrific, and Robertson whipped up plenty of excitement at the very end without being ridiculous with the tempo.

In the third movement, the principal horn played his obbligato part from a seat right in front of Robertson. He did a very fine job of it too.

Just to give some examples of how wacky balances can be with the Meyer System, soft triangle 'dings' were perfectly audible, yet the dark sounding Wuhan tam-tam barely registered at all. Zellerbach doesn't have a back wall for the horns to rebound their sound off of, so the horns are usually a bit softer than the trumpets and trombones (the sound system does pick up the horns to some degree). Undoubtedly, the percussionist covering the tam-tam was playing at a dynamic level that would work just fine in Powell Hall. But percussionists often times forget that Wuhans are very dark sounding instruments, so you need to compensate.

All in all, this was a very good Mahler 5. I thought the dynamic range was a tiny tad too small in the first three movements. I felt that soft parts could have been softer, and a lot of that may have had to do with - again - the Meyer Sound system. But it might also have been that Robertson wanted the brass to pace themselves for the finale. If so, that strategy certainly worked. Everything in the finale seemed just perfect to me.

For those who want to know how the strings were set up - going from left to right - 1st vioins; cellos; double basses behind the cellos; violas; 2nd violins (my preferred lay out is violas, 2nd violins, cellos [with basses behind the cellos], 1st violins)

The best M5's I've seen in terms of conducting (in order): D. Gatti (RPO); Robertson (St. Lo); Bernstein (VPO); Ede De Waart (SFSO)

The best M5's I've seen in terms of the orchestras employed (in order) : VPO (Bernstein); St. Louis (Robertson); S.F. Symphony (De Waart); RPO (D. Gatti)

The worst M5 I've ever seen in terms of BOTH conducting and orchestral execution: Solti/Chicago (at Davies Hall). Awful!


More thoughts that have come to mind:

St. Louis must be the only professional symphony orchestra that has had two back-to-back female principal trumpet players (Susan Slaughter's pumps would be a challenge for ANYBODY to fill, man or woman). And with the exception of the double basses, St. Louis is the first orchestra I've seen that has far more women string players than men. Interesting.


In the S.F. bay area, Zellerbach is the only location where one can hear a professional orchestra play Mahler other than MTT/S.F. Symphony at Davies Hall. In other words, guest orchestras visiting Davies Hall are, more or less, banned from playing Mahler. That's how insecure Tilson-Thomas and the management of the S.F.S. are these days.
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Re: D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 06:09:05 AM »
Barry,
     Thanks for the fine report. When I heard they were going on tour to the West Coast, I wondered if anyone on the Board would hear them. It's ironic that you got to attend, but I missed out this time around while they were in town. (I had to cut back on some of my concerts this season, and as much as I love the M5, I've heard it live here several times over the years.) Now, I'm wishing I would've headed to Powell. I enjoyed what I heard/taped off of the radio. I think they've improved since the last time they tackled it six years ago. 
     I agree with your thoughts regarding their principal trumpet(s). Karin Bliznik is doing a fine job. And Susan Slaughter was still coming in as a reserve player from time to time. She still does a great job.
      It shouldn't be too much longer and they'll announce the next season. It's been awhile since they've done M7, which I've heard here under Slatkin, Welser-Most, and Alan Gilbert. I'd be curious to hear Robertson's thoughts on it. And they haven't tackled the M8 since the 70s...well before my concert-going. We'll see if either one from my Wish List appears.

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Re: D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2016, 12:00:42 PM »
Thanks for the insight, as a bay area local I didnt know that about Zellerbach.

But I can't get over this tidbit:  You've heard SO many Mahler 5's live!

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Re: D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 05:01:36 AM »
I heard the STL Symphony at Powell Hall a couple years ago. The program included Shostakovich's Concerto for Piano, Trumpet and Strings with Stewart Goodyear as soloist; Karin Bliznik had just recently taken over as principal trumpet, and Peter Oundjian conducted. It was a very sharp and lively performance, followed by an outstanding "Scheherezade."

A couple weekends ago, I returned to hear "Des canyons aux extoiles" by Messiaen, a piece I never thought I'd hear live. This time David Robertson conducted, and again an excellent performance.

The live recordings from STL by Hans Vonk on Pentatone are all outstanding, IMHO. I'll single out two: "Pelleas und Melisande" by Schoenberg and the Turangalila-Symphonie by Messiaen. The precision of the playing is astonishing for live performances, and these are among my favorites for both works.

Leonard Slatkin's RCA recordings from STL represent a high water mark in recorded history. A few may be somewhat lacking in intensity (Shostakovich 8, for example) but all are well played and recorded. And, I think the parties involved were wise to avoid standard repertory, and gave us many fine recordings of neglected music.

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Re: D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 05:57:38 AM »
They were playing "From the Canyons to the Stars" the following night, which was last Saturday night. I couldn't be there for that performance, but sure wished I could have!
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Re: D. Robertson/St. Louis S.O. M5 in Berkeley, Ca
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2016, 07:39:34 AM »
"You've heard SO many Mahler 5's live"

I've actually not attended that many M5 performances - it's just not one of my favorite Mahler symphonies (which still makes it something I like better than about 95% of all other classical music out there). But I've been very fortunate in terms of who was performing it! The one huge disappointment was Solti/Chicago, but it was near the end of Solti's reign.

Solti flung his wrists about wildly in a manner that seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with what was going on musically at any given moment. The players kept their stands up and their eyes glued to the music. The entire orchestra sounded as though it was at war with itself, as they made little distinction between mezzo forte, forte, fortissimo and triple forte - it was all just 'blastissimo'. Even Clevenger sounded awful. His solos in the third movement sounded 'brittle' and 'brackish' in terms of tone quality - more like a narrow trombone than a horn (I know he can be an awesome soloist). I later heard that the CSO was not happy with Davies Hall. I also heard another rumor that came from deep within the orchestra that I can't repeat. Bottom line: much ado about nothing.

If it's still up on Youtube, try to catch the D. Gatti/Concertgebouw M5. It's in the dvd box set of Mahler symphonies performed by the Concertgebouw, employing various different conductors (including Jansons). Also, there's an incredible Honeck/Pittsburgh M5 on Youtube from a performance they did on tour in Berlin.
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