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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: Vanska/MO/BIS Mahler 2nd SACD
« Last post by barryguerrero on January 22, 2019, 04:54:53 PM »
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: Vanska/MO/BIS Mahler 2nd SACD
« Last post by Konsgaard on January 22, 2019, 09:05:04 AM »
Yes, I am aware of the bells in the score. Indeed some conductors take liberties and I don't mind them as long as the effect is pleasant to my ears. Jansons BR Mahler 2 uses some really high pitched bells and they are all over the place (also played so alarmingly you'd think the village is on fire).
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: Tennstedt M5 Concertgebouw 1990
« Last post by Prospero on January 21, 2019, 04:30:33 AM »
There is always more to add.
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: I've left the Facebook Mahler Group
« Last post by barryguerrero on January 20, 2019, 09:01:16 PM »
Thanks for input. I didn't stay long there. I don't mean to be a 'snob', but it just feels like pulling teeth or bashing one's head against a post.
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: Vanska/MO/BIS Mahler 2nd SACD
« Last post by barryguerrero on January 20, 2019, 09:00:14 PM »
Thanks. Whn listening on e-classical, the deep bells are very present to me. I guess playback can have so much to do with the results. In this recording, they are using true bells rather than the ubiquitous rolling rack of tubular chimes (holy doorbells). I assume that you're aware that the deep bells are not written to just play whatever, willy-nilly. Instead, Mahler writes very precise alternating salvos between the two gongs (tam-tam) and three bells. Some conductors do have the bells play ad lib, but that's not what's written. What I liked on this recording, is that I could hear ALL of the salvos from both gongs and all three bells. That rarely happens.
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That's great news too!

Note that Karajan/BPO/DG Beethoven symphonies (70s) was released on 2 Blu ray discs.
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: Vanska/MO/BIS Mahler 2nd SACD
« Last post by Konsgaard on January 20, 2019, 09:46:17 AM »
Hi! I'm the one who thought the bells are not very audible. After listening to the recording many times I am not bothered anymore, it mostly has to do with the sound of the deep bells rather than the recorded sound. I mean you can hear them OK, it's just there are other recordings where they are way more prominent. Anyway, I didn't care much for Vanska's 5th or 6th but this Resurrection is really good. You can read my full review here:
https://thehigharts.com/mahler-symphony-2-resurrection-vanska-minnesota-orchestra/

But to cut a long story short there is much to admire. The highlights are:

-The precision of the string playing in the first movement.
-The Andante which is shaped with great care, listen to the portamentos and the left-right separation of the strings. Here the Andante really sings!
-The clarity of the finale.

Weaknesses? I'd have preferred a more European sound from both soloists and choir and slower tempos overall. But this is a very fine Mahler 2nd (and this comes from someone who doesn't always agree with Vanska's lean treatment of the orchestra in other recordings). Not a "spiritual" Resurrection but well played nonetheless.
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / Re: I've left the Facebook Mahler Group
« Last post by waderice on January 20, 2019, 04:30:37 AM »
Never knew you were a member there, Barry.  At least I don't recall ever seeing you post anything, or commenting on anything there.

The historical and biographical detail there about Mahler is important to me, as it can potentially contribute to my knowledge about Mahler.  I don't let the content of the posts bother me all that much.  What bothers me is the attitude of some of the people who post there, who think they know everything about Mahler, and refuse to budge an inch whatsoever in what they say, that it's like God speaking.  And I think you know who some of those people were.  For that matter, I just ignore them, but I still want to see what's going on.  As a result, for the most part, I'm now keeping my mouth shut there, unless it's something I think won't arouse controversy, or comment in a hostile manner against whatever I might say.

Another thing that bothers me about the Facebook Mahler group is that when it comes to one person's opinion about a particular Mahler recording, there seems to be little respect by others for the first person's opinion.  At least here, there is seemingly a good bit more camaraderie in that area than at the Facebook group.

There are some other particular interest areas at Facebook I belong to that I feel the same way about the people who belong and comment, and have come up with the same personal policy, save one.  The people in that particular subject area at least have a good feeling of camaraderie that doesn't exist in many other areas of interest I have.

Wade
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Gustav Mahler and Related Discussions / I've left the Facebook Mahler Group
« Last post by barryguerrero on January 20, 2019, 03:51:50 AM »
The Mahler Group on Facebook has become too 'historical' - centric for my taste, so I dropped it. I just don't have patience for that. It's a complete waste of my time.
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Word is that the Karajan/Berlin Bruckner symphonies are going to be given the Blu-ray audio treatment for release sometime in 2019. This set is way overdue for a competent remastering.
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